Episode 148: National Parks
We talk about our experiences in National Parks.
Speaker 0 (0:10): Welcome back to Record of My Father. Today, we're gonna be talking about how messy my room is.
Speaker 1 (0:15): No. We're talking about national parks because I'm going to the Redwood National Forest in about an hour. I'm getting on a plane. I'm excited. I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (0:23): I've always wanted to go. I don't know why I've always wanted to go because really, I'm thinking about Glacier. Thinking about Glacier National Park, you know. But we'll see. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (0:32): And I'm National Park. Thinking about going there in September. Yep. I gotta beat you there because now we're on races. Now this is It is race.
Speaker 2 (0:39): Competition. You took you took by National Park Of Naseko in in Northern Japan. So so now, I have to beat you. We're in
Unknown Speaker (0:47): the Northern. Yeah. You're right. Yeah. We're down.
Unknown Speaker (0:51): You're coming with us.
Unknown Speaker (0:52): I wanna see the snow monkeys up there, you know? Yeah. Didn't get to see the snow monkeys in Northern Northern Japan now. But we're we're we went to a lot last year. It was like Yeah.
Speaker 1 (1:05): Joshua Tree. We did that. I did Sequoia. I did Yosemite last year. Did three last year.
Unknown Speaker (1:12): I feel
Speaker 1 (1:12): like we did another one. I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (1:14): Moab. What was Moab?
Speaker 1 (1:15): Moab's a national park. That's Arches.
Unknown Speaker (1:18): So that's four. We did Arches. We do Arches last year or this year? We did that this year.
Unknown Speaker (1:24): That was last year.
Unknown Speaker (1:25): No. We did Moab, like, not that long ago.
Unknown Speaker (1:29): Was that this year?
Unknown Speaker (1:30): Yeah. Oh, wow.
Unknown Speaker (1:32): It's like we're Oh, yeah. You're right. It was.
Unknown Speaker (1:35): Wow. Know what's
Unknown Speaker (1:36): weird? Is that They all blend together because we're
Speaker 2 (1:39): getting I don't know who who else does this, but when I do it no. You're right. We did October year. No. There we go.
Unknown Speaker (1:48): I'm '25. You're you're right. Okay.
Unknown Speaker (1:50): Feels like Damn.
Unknown Speaker (1:51): You are smart. You shock me sometimes.
Unknown Speaker (1:53): I went to a really good school.
Speaker 2 (1:55): Well, speaking of that, did you see that their their enrollment's up, like, 27%?
Speaker 1 (2:00): EVA? Yeah. What so it's gonna it's becoming a worse school?
Unknown Speaker (2:05): No. I don't know. Just said there's a race higher
Unknown Speaker (2:07): or what?
Speaker 2 (2:08): I just saw the big I saw all these I get headlines from them because you went there. So they're always and it said, another record setting admissions cycle at UVA. Applications for a spot in the class of 2,030 hit 82,000 this year, applications. Up 27
Unknown Speaker (2:26): Okay. Okay. Applications are
Speaker 2 (2:28): up 27%. Overall acceptance rate for the class of 2022 for Virginia students and 10% of all states. Wow.
Speaker 1 (2:38): Wow. 10% of all states. Do like it when you're from Virginia.
Unknown Speaker (2:42): 10% for out of state. Okay.
Unknown Speaker (2:44): That's actually pretty surprising.
Speaker 2 (2:46): Yeah. So there a whole lot more people want to go there. I'm gonna guess it's a lot of Virginia Knights realizing that if you go in state, it's it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (2:55): I don't know why they're just realizing this too when the community college has existed for a long time. I don't know. Money. Because you you only need a three five for guaranteed admission and I had a three nine. I applied because I'm really smart and then I got in.
Speaker 2 (3:10): I thought that was the weirdest thing is that you applied and you didn't go the the hey, I got my degree.
Speaker 1 (3:15): Well, because you needed another they wanted me to take another three credit class to get one credit because I took environmental science. Yeah. And then they were like, well, that's a two credit class, two credit science. You need one credit more. So take geology.
Speaker 1 (3:30): Oh, it was actually a four credit class to get one credit. And I said, wow. I've given you guys all my money and all my time and you try to screw me here at the end. And then they I'm not doing it. Denver.
Unknown Speaker (3:41): What?
Unknown Speaker (3:43): Northern Virginia Community College didn't give you anything from Denver.
Unknown Speaker (3:45): No. They didn't give me anything for Denver, but UVA did. That's why I was late junior. That's how I transferred. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (3:51): Yeah. Late junior. That was in, like, my last semester there. Had junior year with that transfer. It was nice.
Unknown Speaker (3:57): Really, really nice. Yeah. No. I was I was very surprised by that.
Unknown Speaker (4:01): Yeah. But you did well. I mean, you know, you you good, bad, or indifferent, you did through COVID. So there was
Unknown Speaker (4:08): That sucked.
Speaker 2 (4:09): You know, you lost a lot. There there wasn't a lot of professors on hand there. They were very short with them. That's what you said was the most bad
Unknown Speaker (4:16): compared to the ones that taught at community college. The ones that taught at community college have more reps. They have more reps in teaching, you know, and that's, why they're better. I mean, when you have
Unknown Speaker (4:25): to teach
Unknown Speaker (4:25): Didn't that uninterest
Unknown Speaker (4:26): isn't that interesting?
Unknown Speaker (4:27): Yeah. It is. In a
Unknown Speaker (4:29): way, it's like you're like The people that go to Yale
Speaker 1 (4:32): are not as good as the people that teach high school. Yeah. My opinion, they don't have the reps. Yeah. Well, and also I think you have these teachers teaching high school during the day and college at night.
Speaker 1 (4:42): So they're getting two different demographics of people as well which I think is, very, very interesting and why that makes them better teachers, you know, because they have to appeal
Speaker 2 (4:51): to Practical application is a big thing. Yeah. You know? Yeah. When you have people that are working in the field, I remember I had an accountant that taught me accounting And he was, you know, we had the first guy that was the old guy that was retired that was teaching it.
Speaker 2 (5:04): And, I mean, he was the one that was talking about process. And I remember the very first day, he he he pulls out his he pulls out a handkerchief. He pulls out his glasses, and he said accounting is all about process. He said, now if I sneezed and then I clean my glasses, that would be bad. But if I clean my glasses and then I sneeze and I mean, this is fifty years ago, and I remember it.
Speaker 2 (5:30): And he was and he was just kinda, like, bland about it. And then I had, the other accounting guy, which is accounting February or 300 or whatever the heck it was. He comes out, and he's holding a checkbook. And he said, I just want you to know that just because they gave you a checkbook with 25 checks in it, doesn't mean you get to write checks until you have no more checks. That's not the way finances work.
Speaker 2 (5:56): And we're like, what? And he goes, I had a person in here that was arguing with me that she still had five checks left in her checkbook, so she still had money. I Really? Yeah. And I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (6:10): Scary. Yeah. And that's like counting 200, and I'm like, oh my gosh. Really?
Unknown Speaker (6:17): Yeah. Yeah. 200 people too.
Speaker 2 (6:19): Yeah. It wasn't it wasn't all that advanced. It was beyond T, whatever they call them, T accounts and ahead of debits and credits and a little past that, but not much more. So from what I remember of accounting, And it wasn't until like reading spreadsheets and deciding what was what you should look at and what you shouldn't look at and what would look fake and what didn't look fake. And I learned that later in life by just looking at them.
Unknown Speaker (6:49): You know
Unknown Speaker (6:50): where I want to go is Acadia. Yeah. Maine.
Speaker 2 (6:54): You know what's funny that you said that? Because Jose and I were talking earlier. We we did a what? We do a hike every week, and we do the Great Falls hike. And he was saying, we were talking about Glacier National Park, the Slot Canyons, which I want to do, which is like an eight hour walk, and Acadia, which is in Maine.
Speaker 2 (7:15): And Acadia is came up with Jeff as well. And he's like, Kate, I'd like to go to up to Maine. And I'm going like, it's gorgeous. It's beautiful. We should do it.
Speaker 2 (7:26): I'm like, Okay. You see, I'm the I'm the the most, I'm the best travel partner because all you gotta do is say, hey, let's go and win.
Unknown Speaker (7:36): Me as well. You taught me that, but I think that And
Speaker 2 (7:38): it's like, we're never we're never gonna you know, we we walk through this path of life once, you know?
Unknown Speaker (7:43): So just do it.
Speaker 2 (7:45): By by by sitting around and well, comes from Sarah Silverman when she said that. I really like that. It looks like, you know, hey, I got to exercise. Well, let's commiserate thirty minutes instead of just actually doing it and then moving on. I don't always do this.
Speaker 2 (7:58): I'm, I'm, I do slip into procrastination. Usually, if I'm smoking weed or drinking too much, those are the kind of things that will end up. I had, I rarely smoke weed because of that, because it just totally, totally ruins. I get scares.
Unknown Speaker (8:13): Too strong. Too strong now.
Speaker 2 (8:14): Yeah, it's not the same. But also, it wipes out my motivation. I remember this in high school when I used to smoke. It was like, you know, you wouldn't want to do anything the next day. Oh, man.
Unknown Speaker (8:24): I'm too sick to go to school. Well, why? Because I'm just tired. I just don't wanna do it, man. Okay, man?
Unknown Speaker (8:31): You
Speaker 1 (8:32): feel happy with you are. Think that that's complacency.
Unknown Speaker (8:36): Sit in my bed and just lay here for a while and do nothing. Maybe get up and smoke some cigarettes. Maybe walk in the backyard. Then go back and sit down, stare at the wall for a while, and then think about all the wonderful things that I could do tomorrow, but not today, because today I'm not going to do anything. And then you go, and in the afternoon, you're like, wow, I'm awake.
Unknown Speaker (8:58): I think I'll smoke some weed. And then tomorrow comes, you're like, I'm not going to do anything today. I'm just going to sit around. I'm going to walk out there and do nothing, and then I'll do something tomorrow and 03:00 comes around. They smoke some more weed and you're like, mine.
Unknown Speaker (9:14): A cycle of two, I think. Well, I
Speaker 1 (9:16): remember, I got into the concentrates when I was in 19 through about 21, which I mean, it was like 80 to 90%. And I remember my day contained of smoking or dabbing as they they call it and then taking a nap for like three hours waking up, maybe watching Blue Planet, taking another dab, watching Blue Planet again. And I think that was when I was working at Papa John's. And that was
Unknown Speaker (9:44): And you were thinking that you accomplished something.
Unknown Speaker (9:46): That was a good time. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (9:47): Yeah. Well, I I did I remember the my one experience that I remember with dabs or something like it.
Speaker 1 (9:54): I think I gave you a couple, right, at some time.
Speaker 2 (9:56): I think so. But I'm I'm thinking more when I was playing poker, and I we're in the poker tournament, and I'm getting ready to leave, and the guy goes, no, dude. You gotta hit this. And I'm going like, what? And he goes, hit this.
Speaker 2 (10:06): I think it was Matt. He he gives it to me. I'm going, and I hit it. What's the what's the big deal?
Unknown Speaker (10:12): Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:12): And he goes, oh, you didn't hit it enough. Hit it again. I hit it again. Oh my god. My the the hotel was literally 100 yards from where we were, and I had to walk on a sidewalk.
Speaker 2 (10:24): And I couldn't, I was walking on a sidewalk, like I was hammered. And I was worried that I was going to be arrested by the police. So I was thinking, should I just lay down on the sidewalk and go to sleep there so no one will notice? And it was like all this weird, really stupid shit.
Unknown Speaker (10:42): Paranoia is crazy. Yeah. To avoid crazy thing.
Speaker 2 (10:45): To avoid being arrested, I was gonna sleep on the sidewalk. And it's like, dude, dude, you what what what what in what world of stupid do you live in? And it's like, I was in that world.
Unknown Speaker (10:57): The thing about those two
Unknown Speaker (10:58): me the next day and he goes, what'd think? And I'm like, I hate you.
Unknown Speaker (11:02): It poisoned me. You poisoned me, man.
Speaker 2 (11:04): You just you're like, cause it was it was it was like, who was that? What's his name was said? He was he's a comedian. He's always sweating, rollish, real short guy, got in trouble because he talked about how bad, people treat black people or whatever.
Unknown Speaker (11:25): Kat Williams.
Unknown Speaker (11:25): Kat. Kat Williams. And he was talking about at a break. And he goes, it's a break. I go out.
Speaker 2 (11:30): You know? And and I'm with Snoop Dogg. Snoop Dogg's there because he's gonna come on after me. And I I got one more set. I got the other half of my set to do.
Speaker 2 (11:38): And he's there with this guy. And he's like and he goes, you wanna smoke? And he's like I was like, yeah. Snoop Dogg, man. I can smoke a Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 2 (11:45): And he lights a joint, and he hands it to me. And I'm hitting it. And then the guy lights another one, and then snoop's hitting it. And then I have one. And then I hand it to the guy as the guy's lighting the third one.
Speaker 2 (11:56): And we're lighting. Like and they're these are not these are not, like like like, these are huge. And I'm sitting there and I and we go through about half the joint and and I realized I was no longer in the stadium. I was above The United States and I was looking down. And then I took another hit, and then I was in space, and I could see the Earth, and I could see where Snoop Dogg was down there.
Speaker 2 (12:22): And he he tells his whole story, and you're like, oh my gosh. He slowly went out into space, And he goes, I don't know what happened that second set. I got paid. You know? Hey.
Speaker 2 (12:33): I hope it was happy or whatever, but it was just a really funny thing thing to hear that.
Speaker 1 (12:39): Well, that was like when Chappelle came back from a long hiatus. Yeah. And then bombed. And then he's like, you remember that time? And he then he went on to do the Netflix special to do the three course Netflix special.
Speaker 1 (12:51): And he's like, did you guys really wanna know what happened? And was like, of course, of course, we do. He's well, I was smoking weed backstage and I looked in the mirror and I said, I'm gonna bomb and then I bombed. He's like, yep, I'm gonna bomb and then I bombed. Wow.
Unknown Speaker (13:08): Yeah and that's what happened. Oh my god.
Unknown Speaker (13:10): You ain't getting your money back.
Unknown Speaker (13:11): No. If you made me smoke weed and, try to do stand up, there's no shot. No shot in the world.
Speaker 2 (13:19): I don't know how they do it. I mean, I think, like, Stoop Dogg has an aura Tolerance. That he can just sort of, like he must be just normal with it. To be normal high. I mean, him being high is normal, whereas, fear and all the other weird stuff that go on with it is just like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:40): That just Yeah. You know, that doesn't work. You know, that that that is, it's funny how we went from national parks to getting high. I mean, this is
Unknown Speaker (13:49): the way we do things. That is true.
Speaker 2 (13:50): Everybody I love it. I think my sister-in-law, Mary Ann, always says, you guys never talk about what the title says. You you start, you talk about
Unknown Speaker (14:00): You jump.
Speaker 2 (14:01): Minute and a half about that, and you go off on some tangent.
Unknown Speaker (14:04): And we'll find our people. We we will find our people
Unknown Speaker (14:06): one day. Bunker mentality.
Unknown Speaker (14:08): We will find our people one day.
Unknown Speaker (14:09): And old people know what that is because she would start out a story and then she would run off and then she'd get to the end of it and then she'd wrap it back around and it was always kind of neat. There was some comedian, something Montgomery that used to do that. He would do this long five minute thing where he would tell little jokes along the way, and then it would come back to the beginning. You know, it's That's kind of all of them too in a way. Will they circle back?
Speaker 2 (14:31): Bring it back and they say, remember?
Speaker 1 (14:33): You know? Punctuate at the end there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:35): Yeah. It's it's really kind it's a it's a neat way to pull it all together and to make people go, Ah, You get people an moment, and they, they really like that. And I think it, but it's difficult. It's really difficult to make it funny, interesting the whole time through, and then to bring it back. I think that would be hard in any story that you tell, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:56): We're really good at it because we do it all the time.
Unknown Speaker (14:58): We are the best. Probably the best
Speaker 2 (15:00): We're national parks. We're, you and I and your mother and Cambria are going to, where the hell are we going? Jasper? Jasper. Calgary to Jasper to, what's the other one?
Unknown Speaker (15:15): Banff.
Speaker 2 (15:16): Banff. That's right. I I always wanna say Banff because I think that was an airlines or something.
Unknown Speaker (15:21): Is the park called? What? It called like the is it it's not Jasper Park, isn't? I guess it is. It is Jasper Park.
Unknown Speaker (15:30): Jasper National Park.
Speaker 1 (15:32): Jasper National Park. Right. That's what it's called. I remember me and Sean went there years ago in 2022.
Unknown Speaker (15:38): Years ago.
Speaker 1 (15:40): When we drove up to from Arizona and then we went to Yellowstone on the way. We also stayed in Donner Lake, which I think is also Tot Lake Tahoe area. And then we went up and we drove past Glacier, which in hindsight, I'm like, we had this rush to get back for no reason. And that didn't really make any sense. But yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:03): No. That was that was phenomenal. We did about five days in Jasper and that was just amazing. We're gonna do that again. It is the
Speaker 2 (16:12): largest Jasper National Park is the largest national park in the Canadian Rockies and is famed for its vast wilderness, glacier fed lakes, and abundant wildlife. They have the Columbia Icefields, the Maligny Lake and Spirit Island. I just made that up. Thundering waterfalls and Malignant Canyon. I don't know how you'd predict it, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:39): But I remember the there's a split between continental plates there or something. And you Is that continental divine? Yeah. And you can walk it. And we walked it because it's on like a river or like a little like kind of inland river.
Speaker 1 (16:52): And it's absolutely I've never seen water that blue.
Speaker 2 (16:57): I think.
Speaker 1 (16:57): You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. It was really that that was breathtaking. And the mosquitoes there have extra long stingers because all the animals up there in order to survive, you need a long stinger. So the mosquito bites are unlike anything you've ever experienced because they need to pierce through the animal skin, you know, and the moose skin and whatnot and the
Speaker 2 (17:19): Well, the flies were the worst I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (17:21): Mosquitoes are so bad. Yeah. Mosquitoes are horrendous.
Speaker 2 (17:24): But you say continental divide. That's actually a movie that, John Belushi did, and he did it. Now this is really interesting. This will tie it back. He did it with Blair Brown.
Speaker 2 (17:35): Right? Mhmm. And you're like, so what? Well, do you know who Blair Brown is? No.
Speaker 2 (17:40): Blair Brown is the daughter of the man that owned the house that I live in today that sold it to my uncle, Hoofnagle, that I worked there as a gardener, and then I bought it from him. And he said, I bought it from a Brown and I sold it to a Brown. And I remember, it was weird. Evelyn, his wife, had saved curlers in the upstairs drawer in the, in the, in the hallway bathroom, because that was where that was Blair Brown's bathroom as she was growing up. And she saved her curlers because she said she might come back and need them.
Speaker 1 (18:21): A little And people think that there's some sort of, obsession with celebrities today. I feel like we
Speaker 2 (18:27): we always have It was it was very apparent there. Well, because you link yourself and all of a sudden, wow. That's really cool. You know, Whiskey Smith Smith or whoever the hell it is, you know, whatever.
Unknown Speaker (18:38): Well, there's something about being seen, you know? And I think that we all thrive to be seen. And that's kind of like my my artist statement.
Unknown Speaker (18:45): Recognize as a of the things that I do,
Speaker 1 (18:47): you know? And I think that being seen is something that I've always wanted to write because it's an accomplishment. It's an acceptance of who you are.
Unknown Speaker (18:58): Recognize what you did.
Speaker 1 (19:00): We go. Yeah, exactly. And, it's it's, it's alleviating. It really is. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker (19:05): Have you tell your friends you're proud of them. Tell your friends you're proud of them. It's important.
Speaker 2 (19:11): And even, you know, people you don't know.
Unknown Speaker (19:15): Yeah. No. I mean, everybody knows what a smile
Speaker 2 (19:18): can do. Can't all pick a path that rises to stardom or stuff like that. I mean, I always thought it was odd that people look to me. And and and for me, I'm still the guy that worked construction in the eighties. And yet, I I was the CEO of a, you know, a couple good sized companies.
Speaker 2 (19:41): And so I I I never thought of myself as anything other than, a line worker. Weird. You know? Even though my decision making changed over time, I would decide not on a daily basis, but, you know, a month out, six months out, two years out, three years out, five years out, depending upon size of the company, where you want to be and how you want to get there. I learned that strategy over time.
Speaker 2 (20:05): It's funny, you know, as you grow, you have to look further out. Otherwise, you're chasing your own damn tail.
Speaker 1 (20:12): He who humbles himself is exalted. Don Quixote. Great.
Speaker 2 (20:16): I love that. Woah. I love that. Think I think that's that's a huge part of growth is the ability to not only believe in something, but have somebody prove to you that it's not true. And that you accept that and go, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (20:38): I think that is the ultimate, you know, win for you as a person. But it's it's not an easy thing to do. You know, you want to change me? You want to make me believe in, you want to make me believe in God? You want to make me whatever you want to do, which that's a bit that would be a big ask.
Speaker 2 (20:57): But you know, if the dude shows up, I believe in him. Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:01): Moby Dick. Here's a quote from Moby Dick.
Unknown Speaker (21:04): What's that?
Speaker 1 (21:05): I'd rather sleep with a drunken cannibal than a sober Christian. That's a good one. Herman Melville is a genius and that was written like the eighteen hundreds. Think about that. When the the wailing.
Speaker 1 (21:17): Man, I love that book. People are like, oh, I don't like the breakdown of each whale and the chapters. And I'm like, I don't know. I really like that.
Unknown Speaker (21:24): But they chop
Unknown Speaker (21:25): more of
Unknown Speaker (21:25): the they climb them apart.
Speaker 1 (21:27): That but also the the species. Because it's almost like half zoology textbook, half. Really? And cycle whale encyclopedia and then half narrative. So three halves.
Speaker 2 (21:41): We have to know about what your predator is or what you're trying to kill and make your living off of. I would think that that is a
Speaker 1 (21:47): Well, it's a no. Very smart way to be. It's not. It's a made up story though.
Unknown Speaker (21:52): Right. Right.
Speaker 1 (21:53): You know? Yeah. But, yeah. I don't know very many novels that break down like in a zoology kind of encyclopedic way like that. It's pretty interesting.
Unknown Speaker (22:02): Very different.
Speaker 1 (22:03): You ever go to Nantucket? I've never been.
Unknown Speaker (22:05): Yeah.
Unknown Speaker (22:06): You've been?
Speaker 2 (22:06): We went, last summer as a matter of fact, went up with shots.
Unknown Speaker (22:11): Oh, yeah. They
Unknown Speaker (22:12): We went over. Yeah. We went to Nantucket Island, and, rubbed elbows with all the rich people.
Speaker 1 (22:17): Speaking of national parks, Newfoundland. I think that's a national park.
Unknown Speaker (22:21): We went there.
Unknown Speaker (22:22): I think golf there. Yeah. In Canada or Nova Scotia?
Unknown Speaker (22:26): Nova Scotia. I didn't go to Newfoundland.
Speaker 1 (22:27): Where's Newfoundland? This section of islands off the or one island. One island, I think. Yeah. But you know what's weird too is there's also a French territory up there off the coast of Newfoundland about an hour flight, which is very, very interesting that I would love to go to because it's odd.
Speaker 1 (22:42): I don't know. It's very, very odd that it's all the way up in the the right hand corner of The United States in the middle of the water. What's another one? Alaska. You've done Alaska.
Unknown Speaker (22:54): You went to a bunch of national parks up there.
Unknown Speaker (22:56): Yeah. How was that? I
Unknown Speaker (23:00): People say there's nothing like it. People say it's better than anything.
Speaker 2 (23:03): No. Really? Beautiful landscape, but, you know, I've seen beautiful landscape. I would say Torres Del Pontiac was prettier. That's the w that that's down in Patagonia.
Speaker 2 (23:14): It was it was bigger, wider, more glaciers prettier. Did I go into I I I saw a lot of park that was pretty. But remember, I had COVID for three days.
Speaker 1 (23:26): That kind of ruins everything, doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (23:28): So I was stuck, and I was gonna hop on a plane, and we were gonna go to Antarctic. We were gonna go to the Arctic and I was gonna get there and get into the Arctic Circle. And I lost that opportunity. And for three days, people were tromping around and going to parks and stuff. And I was just sort of stuck in a room, you know, jacking it or whatever.
Unknown Speaker (23:46): Maybe I wasn't doing that.
Unknown Speaker (23:48): Stick. But yeah. No. I don't know.
Unknown Speaker (23:51): Yeah. You're a horrible man.
Speaker 1 (23:52): How's the homeless people up there? I've heard it's really bad.
Speaker 2 (23:56): In what is what are the two places?
Unknown Speaker (24:00): Anchorage?
Speaker 2 (24:01): Yeah. In Anchorage, and we went to two places, cities in Alaska. Let me see.
Speaker 1 (24:09): It makes me wonder why, it's not Portsmouth, isn't it? Not something else. Would be bad. Where's Boorstman?
Speaker 2 (24:17): Is that Maine? No. I'm thinking. Fairbanks. We went to Fairbanks and we took a train from there.
Unknown Speaker (24:28): I think to where do we go to? No. We didn't make it all up. I would love to have gone up. We went to Fairbanks from what the hell is it?
Unknown Speaker (24:39): Did you go to Anchorage? Oh, you did. So you
Unknown Speaker (24:42): went up the coast.
Unknown Speaker (24:43): Main. Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:44): Yeah. We went up the coast and saw went all the way to Fairbanks, and Fairbanks is wasn't a lot to it. I didn't think. You know? Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (24:54): We went to Denali National Park. We saw just so much. But it was we went from Anchorage to Fairbanks. That's what we did. We train up.
Speaker 2 (25:04): Because, and it was it was beautiful. Absolutely beautiful everywhere we looked. I didn't see as much wildlife as I thought. We saw a lot of moose, you know, which was cool, because I'd never seen well, I'd seen moose in the wild before when I was in Seattle, when I was in, I think, Canada, North Of Montreal, I was there. I'd seen moose there.
Speaker 2 (25:25): We saw him at a park. It was kind of funny. You know, we were stoned, but that was another story altogether. That was when we did something that day, which was rare. But anyway, let's not talk in too many circles because and then they turn into squares.
Speaker 2 (25:43): Right? Exactly. But, yeah, we did air Anchorage to Fairbanks, and I think Anchorage was more a lie. Fairbanks was we had homeless people in the alleys, a lot of meth, it seemed like, because
Unknown Speaker (25:55): A ton of meth is what I've heard. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:56): People were missing teeth and, you know, and they they had in the we were in the best hotel, which is like a Holiday Inn. And, people were sneaking in the hotel and going up on the floors looking for open doors to grab stuff. So you had to be somewhat cautious. And I don't think anybody was violent. It was just more like, you know, you get
Unknown Speaker (26:17): When you have nothing, you get desperate.
Speaker 2 (26:18): Yeah. You can't get an argument with somebody that wants to argue, because you can't get out of it. And you can't, you can't win. And if somebody wants something, you you can't give them enough. So there's no way to, like, end it.
Unknown Speaker (26:33): You know? You give them a dollar. I wanted 5. Why are you rich motherfucker? You know?
Unknown Speaker (26:37): And you're like, okay. I I just oops. I I messed up. I did the mistake. You know?
Unknown Speaker (26:42): Well, here's my buddy and here's the other buddy and here's the other buddy. You know? And you're just like, go away. No.
Speaker 1 (26:47): Well, what's weird is I think that other states send them there. Weirdly enough. Really? Because if you think about it, why would you ever go to Alaska?
Speaker 2 (26:57): I think it's like, say in LA, when you start to look around and you ask those people, they're all the people there are from LA. They become homeless through time. Their their kids, people that live there, they were middle class or lower middle class. Those people have either barely hung on, but their kids can't get a job, can't move up, can't afford to live in LA. And so with no job, they can't get out of LA.
Speaker 2 (27:22): LA has more systems than the frigging desert. So at least they can get food, and then they can cover intersections to get enough money to survive on. And that's all they think about. And it's funny when you talk to the homeless people. You know, most of them I'm not sure the the ones that I've talked to, and I haven't talked to many, like, huge groups.
Speaker 2 (27:45): They gotta wanna get out. And if they don't wanna get out, then fine.
Speaker 1 (27:49): There's some level of enjoying the vagabond lifestyle for sure. I think so. But there's also the the high element of mental illness out here specifically. Weirdly enough, DC is more socioeconomic. Out here, it's more I mean, you just can't hold down a job if you have mental disabilities like this.
Unknown Speaker (28:08): Yeah,
Speaker 1 (28:08): I know it's there's no way that you're going to be able to do it. But yeah, I don't know. Well, the the reason why I say did the other states because I remember hearing DC takes their homeless people, puts them on buses, puts them in Annandale, Virginia. And I think. Oh.
Speaker 1 (28:23): Interesting. Same thing Hawaii offers or people, I don't know, understand. I've heard this too, is that homeless people are offered money to move to Hawaii. I
Speaker 2 (28:32): don't know. Yeah, because Hawaii has a really good health care system that that takes care of all of it and they have a lot of social services. So, people will go and and I heard the same thing. Remember when we were in Turkey, we had the guy, we met the councilman from
Unknown Speaker (28:48): San Francisco.
Unknown Speaker (28:50): No. No. It wasn't. San Francisco.
Unknown Speaker (28:52): Oh, that was a different style. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:53): Not Seattle, but what's the other one in Washington? I think it's Port Portland. Portland Trailblazer. Portland. He was up there, Voodoo Doughnuts, and people talk about Downtown Portland being an absolute grapple.
Speaker 2 (29:05): Well, he said we get the population that want to move away from their parents and get out of the country. They move to Portland because the train runs that way.
Unknown Speaker (29:16): And they,
Speaker 2 (29:16): most of the kids that come into the city are from like the Midwest. So we had a bunch of Idaho's, we had a bunch of Montana's and all the people that don't want to live in the middle of nowhere. Go left, I guess. Interesting. Go to Portland.
Speaker 2 (29:31): And he said, we have a huge pool of people that are other states. They they've come to Portland, they can't get a job because we don't have any jobs, and we have to support them. And how do we support them? And they come here and then, you know, first time using drugs and drugs are prevalent. They're, they're cheap.
Speaker 2 (29:49): So that that costs a lot of problems. And to do the social, you know, it's the social. And the problem is is that the better social program you build, the more people will come. It's kinda like a it's like a highway. You know, when people say, hey, we're gonna we're gonna widen the road.
Speaker 2 (30:05): We're gonna build another lane. Well, you know what happens? More people drive.
Unknown Speaker (30:10): You know where I wanna go back to is Grand Teton. I'd be down to go back to Grand Teton National Park. That was a beautiful park with the hotel. You remember the hotel where you could
Unknown Speaker (30:20): see Yeah. Looking out the window.
Unknown Speaker (30:21): Try Point. Seeing it. Try Point through the window.
Speaker 2 (30:24): Then we did the wagon ride.
Unknown Speaker (30:26): Oh, yeah. That was dumb. Right? That was stupid. That was stupid.
Speaker 1 (30:29): A lot of that tour was awful. I remember the guy's brother who's definitely a serial killer now, if not dead.
Unknown Speaker (30:34): Tried to kill you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:36): Yeah. He well, that and then had to jump on me With his head, he you know how you headbutt somebody, you headbutt him in the nose. He just headbutted me for no reason. I remember that too. And a lot of times I do deserve it.
Speaker 1 (30:48): This time there was no preliminary. It was just erratic violent behavior. And I also remember he pushed me in a urinal. I pissed all over myself from my nipples all the way down my shirt, all the way over my underwear because I had to pee really bad. And I hope he's dead frankly, or homeless because I fucking hate that guy.
Speaker 1 (31:08): Well, you were friends with Excuse my language. I've never met a worse human being in my life. I really can't think of one. I really, really can't.
Unknown Speaker (31:17): It was bad.
Speaker 1 (31:18): And I've been screwed over quite a few times by terrible people, but not nothing compares. And that was only
Speaker 2 (31:24): You know? He had gotten kicked out of his he had gotten kicked out of his his grandmother who's staying with the grandmother, but he had gotten kicked out of school because he pushed a kid out of a second story window. And now he was staying with her with the younger kid. The younger kid was a nice kid. He was your friend.
Unknown Speaker (31:44): He was amazing. I love this. The younger kid was amazing.
Speaker 2 (31:46): Years older. And I came to I remember coming to the, the swimming pool, and he was trying to convince you to climb up on the ladder and dive into the pool, and it was two feet deep. And I I I remember that. I and I was like, is it wrong to slap a 13 year old with a closed fist?
Unknown Speaker (32:10): There was no worse human being ever.
Speaker 2 (32:12): And and a roll of pennies in there because I would have just
Speaker 1 (32:15): I've never heard of a more evil child. You know, I've never met. Like, it was actually, if you ever heard of the movie, I'm sure you've heard of the movie, The Omen. That's exactly what it was like except he was 13 and the Omen grew up and it was.
Speaker 2 (32:27): Well, he didn't have a devil. There there was no devil there. It was just, he was something
Speaker 1 (32:32): Evil, violent man. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:33): He just he got off on that. I mean, I saw people like that when I was a kid. They used to tie cats' tails together and throw them over a line.
Speaker 1 (32:41): That's pretty Okay. That's pretty that well, that's exactly what he was doing probably. It's free time.
Speaker 2 (32:46): That kind of horrible stuff. Well, you think about though. I never saw this. I saw I had somebody brag about doing it, and I was just like
Speaker 1 (32:53): crazy thing to brag about.
Unknown Speaker (32:55): Yeah. I yeah. You should see what they do. They're crazy. They just fight and scream and scratch the hell out of it, you know, when you're like,
Unknown Speaker (33:03): how do you even tell that's tail. I don't think that's possible. Yeah. But, the, the whole thing
Unknown Speaker (33:09): I don't know. I didn't I didn't go into it. It just kinda freaked me that it was
Unknown Speaker (33:12): That would freak me out too. You get away from those people. Because they're gonna upgrade to a human being.
Speaker 2 (33:17): You tie their tides, tails together, and you throw them over clothesline. And they'll they'll they'll just tear each other apart.
Unknown Speaker (33:24): What is wrong with people? You know.
Unknown Speaker (33:26): I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:26): Well, the the whole thing that I was getting back to is he was 13. You know, you think about that. Yeah. Where did he, so, a lot of times, you have serial killers that in lieu of their mother has a fever when she's pregnant and that just happens. This kind of not so I I wouldn't say sociopath.
Speaker 1 (33:44): That's a psychopath, right? Psychopathic tendencies from a fever and it's kind of a theory but other than that, I mean, do you think his dad used to beat him? I mean, that's the only way because they were living with the grandmother. You think about See, don't think beating the father wasn't the father wasn't there. The father wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (34:02): So, I mean, if the father's close close fist punching since him since he was nine to to 13, he's going to want to do it to somebody younger than him so that he feels
Unknown Speaker (34:14): big. Smaller.
Unknown Speaker (34:14): You know?
Unknown Speaker (34:15): It hurt.
Unknown Speaker (34:15): So maybe he was a product of abuse but I don't know. He seemed kinda really evil. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:21): Yeah. No. He had a he had another vein of of of ways to Yeah. I mean, like, getting you to do it or, you know, something like that. And, I remember her defending him saying that, well, he didn't actually push him.
Speaker 2 (34:34): He convinced him to jump.
Unknown Speaker (34:39): Convinced who to jump? I didn't jump, though.
Speaker 2 (34:41): No. The kid the kid out of the second story.
Speaker 1 (34:43): Oh, yeah. The grandma was always kind of excusing me.
Speaker 2 (34:46): She was just trying to say. She said, you know, I I just gotta keep a really, really, really close eye on him.
Unknown Speaker (34:50): But she wasn't doing that because No. She piss all over me.
Unknown Speaker (34:53): So it was like
Speaker 1 (34:54): No. She was kinda useless. Yeah. She's probably dead now too. You think about it.
Unknown Speaker (34:57): Wow.
Speaker 2 (34:58): Well, I don't think he would have killed her until there was some opportunity. I mean, we could probably read about that.
Speaker 1 (35:03): Dollars for life insurance, he would've done it. But other than that
Speaker 2 (35:06): If he was guaranteed to get it because he's he seemed like he would've just he was probably stealing that on a regular basis.
Unknown Speaker (35:12): Yeah. That guy, man. I I really want I wanna know where he's at, actually. Maybe we can figure that out one day.
Unknown Speaker (35:18): Weren't weren't they from Charlottesville?
Speaker 1 (35:21): They were they were from Virginia, if I'm not Right.
Speaker 2 (35:24): Charlottesville. That's what I thought. I thought they were moved in Charlottesville, and they were they lived in Chantilly or something, and the family moved to the kids moved to Charlottesville. I don't know if the the mother and the his mother and father were in divorce or having problems or whatever the case may be. But, you know, they didn't go to Grand Teton National Park, and we did, and we got to meet him there.
Unknown Speaker (35:44): I thought they did go to the Grand Teton. I thought
Speaker 2 (35:47): they did. So does this make you wonder if people go to national parks that that's where the serial killers hang out?
Speaker 1 (35:52): Maybe. I mean, that's that's quite possible. Quite, quite possible.
Unknown Speaker (35:57): Yeah. I mean, I I
Speaker 1 (35:58): we went to the Cody Museum on that trip. That was a terrible time. Oh, that was just the worst. Yeah. I Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:05): It was a hindrance. I will never get on another bus tour ever again. Ever, ever, ever in my life. I will never do it ever again. Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (36:12): Because of that. Because of that tour. I could never be interested in a foreign country. What somebody else could tell me of what I could just read off a plaque. You know?
Unknown Speaker (36:22): Like I don't understand why would I ever care. I don't I don't care. I don't care that much. You've seen one ruin, you've seen them all. Like, that's that's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (36:30): I was That from a guy in Italy. Or not a yeah. Yeah. In Sicily, he was like, you've seen one ruin. You've seen them all.
Unknown Speaker (36:35): I'm like, you're you're really right about that. You're really, really.
Speaker 2 (36:38): And we were on our sixth ruin and we're like, god, we gotta stop this.
Speaker 1 (36:41): No. No. No more no more tours. You get the car, you rent the car, and you you do you do it yourself. You do it yourself.
Speaker 1 (36:49): Don't be lazy. Do it yourself.
Speaker 2 (36:51): I think food tours are amazing, though.
Speaker 1 (36:53): That's different. That's different. That's not a bus.
Speaker 2 (36:56): Now, I wonder how we're gonna do a food tour in Jasper.
Speaker 1 (36:58): Walking food tour. We cooked over an open fire. I remember that. That was cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:05): And there's a little town there. The town is nice. I wonder where that sweater is, man.
Speaker 2 (37:10): Well, we're staying in, like, stupid hotels that are overlooking lake whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (37:15): Lake Louise, I never made it to.
Unknown Speaker (37:17): Okay. That's where we're at. The parking was the parking was hotel that took a look.
Speaker 1 (37:22): The the hotel thought that was funny. It was the parking was $40 No, that it wasn't only that. The line was an hour and a half or two hours to get in and we were like, we just drove eight hours. We don't want to sit. That that's what it was too.
Unknown Speaker (37:35): It was We went
Speaker 2 (37:36): I gotta tell you. We went to Agazu Falls, Gemini a week ago, week and a half ago, and we get off the plane because we flew from Buenos Aires. We get to Agazu Falls. We take a taxi, and the taxi drops us at the opening of the national park, right? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:53): Concessions are. And then we have to wait there because the hotel is inside of the park, and it's two miles inside of the park. So we have to wait there to be picked up by an and we didn't know because we didn't, we weren't and we're like, Ah, ah, ah. And he drops us. He goes, Here it is.
Speaker 2 (38:10): There's, there's your hotel. And we go up to the gate. We're like, This is not the hotel.
Unknown Speaker (38:14): And we
Speaker 2 (38:14): asked him like, Oh, no, no, no. The hotel's in the park. And we're like, okay. Can a taxi take us there? And he goes, well, I guess he coulda.
Unknown Speaker (38:25): That's funny.
Unknown Speaker (38:26): But we had to buy it. We had to buy a ticket to get into the hotel. Really? Yeah. We had to buy a ticket to get into is a onetime fee that we had to pay to get in to go to the hotel.
Speaker 1 (38:37): That makes sense, though, because you're you're going into the national bargain. That's how we hear, though. I would have been knowing it. With Redwoods, I got as close as possible because I've done that before. Because once you driving to the park is different because once you get to the park, you're driving for four hours inside the park.
Unknown Speaker (38:55): So so you wanna be as close Archers. To any park. Yeah. There you go. You want to be as close as possible.
Speaker 1 (39:02): So we're ten minutes from the entrance because there was another option there. Like, well, you could stay forty minutes. I'm like, we're going to have to do forty minutes on top of anything we do that day. That's going make me want to shoot myself.
Unknown Speaker (39:15): Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:16): We did that at Sequoia or Yosemite, which was outside of the park because then you have to drive down because Yosemite is just a giant valley. And you have to drive down the valley every day and there's switchbacks and then what have you. And it's just like, we did it for the first three days when we're like, on the last day, I was like, do you just wanna go?
Speaker 2 (39:32): We're staying in we're staying in Jasper and we're staying in Lake Louise.
Unknown Speaker (39:37): Oh, interesting. Okay.
Speaker 2 (39:38): We have a hotel that overlooks Lake Louise that I think costs more than you.
Speaker 1 (39:46): I remember the we stayed in a tent for $10 a day in Jasper and that was the cheapest.
Unknown Speaker (39:52): It's a little more than that.
Unknown Speaker (39:53): Little more. A little more than but you know what I was worried about is the bears because I was worried a bear was going eat us because we were smoking cigarettes, drinking Canadian whiskey and eating food in the tent at night. And that was probably not the best idea in hindsight. Well, in Lake Tahoe, there was something scratching on the outside of our tent trying to get in and we didn't know what it was and I just went back to sleep, ignored it.
Speaker 2 (40:15): Well, if was scratching, it wasn't a bear.
Unknown Speaker (40:17): No. No. I think it was a a It's probably
Unknown Speaker (40:18): a monkey.
Unknown Speaker (40:18): A raking or something.
Unknown Speaker (40:20): You think it was a monkey?
Unknown Speaker (40:21): A raking. As Ricky said. What's a raking? From trailer. Raccoon.
Speaker 2 (40:24): Oh. The the raking's over here, but the raking's out there.
Unknown Speaker (40:28): That's what Ricky calls him. Yep. Ricky. Jalapeno. Jalapeno.
Speaker 1 (40:33): It's jalapeno. Not chalapino, Ricky. It's jalapeno. Rocky Raccoon. Remember?
Unknown Speaker (40:42): Rocky Bullwinkle.
Speaker 2 (40:43): Rocky Raccoon. That's a song that Paul McCartney used to sing.
Speaker 1 (40:47): Oh. Yeah. Do you know what's crazy? It's Michael Jackson bought all the publishing rights to his music and he basically taught what music publishing was to Michael Jackson and Michael Jackson's like, oh, okay, Paul. And then went and bought all his music for like $45,000,000 or maybe it was 85.
Speaker 1 (41:05): It was 80, it was something like.
Speaker 2 (41:06): It was it was he did not negotiate on the price. He asked them what they wanted. The publisher said, we want 85,000,000, and he goes, okay. He wrote him a check for 85,000,000,000, so they got no reason to bitch. It's like if I walked up to you and said, Zach, that that that shirt you're wearing, how much you want for it?
Speaker 2 (41:24): $500. And I write you a check for $500. And then five years later, you realize that I have made $10,000,000 off it. You're like, hey. Can I buy my shirt back?
Speaker 2 (41:34): And I'm like, no. Because I'm going to make another $20,000,000 off of it.
Unknown Speaker (41:38): Well, it sounded like he almost. Figured out how to promote them. But
Unknown Speaker (41:42): he figured out, no, he figured out how to sell it. See? Well, Jack McCartney
Unknown Speaker (41:48): informed He did of what music publishing was.
Speaker 2 (41:53): He he monetized it like no one had ever done.
Unknown Speaker (41:56): Interesting.
Speaker 2 (41:57): I mean, that asset went from being a 85,000,000,000, 85,000,000 to being worth $500,000,000 And I think ultimately, it became worth over $1,000,000,000, you know, because he figured out, I mean, I'm not going to say he did, but he had the people that were behind him that figured it out. Because some of his, his best investment was that. And what he did, in a wild way, is he was incredible with debt. He borrowed like, $800,000,000 against that musical, the the music the the songs that he owned.
Unknown Speaker (42:39): Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:40): And he borrowed that from Citicorp at, like, a 2.8% interest rate. So I mean, he actually bought it for cash. And then he borrowed against it for 10 times the value at a below market interest rate. Because they're like, Oh, he's gonna go bankrupt, and we're gonna take it. No, he didn't.
Unknown Speaker (42:59): He actually and then I don't know what he did with 800,000,000, but they kept saying, oh, he's he's in financial trouble. Oh, no. He's just made 500,000,000. Oh, he's in financial trouble. Oh, he just made 800,000,000.
Speaker 2 (43:09): And he would you would see this all the time that what he was doing was he was using debt to finance expansion, which is what you're supposed to do if you're really a smart, savvy financial guy. I'm not that way. I'm, I'm, so many people are frightened of debt. But if you can borrow for 2% and lend out or sell for three or four or five, well, you should do that every day. You know, it's the same thing when people talk about their house.
Speaker 2 (43:35): I want to pay off my house at 7%. Well, you know, you, you, then you no longer have 150,000 or $200,000 that you're earning 8% on. Yeah, yeah, but but but it doesn't matter and it's like, it's because it's psycho.
Speaker 1 (43:49): The reason why I say Paul McCartney taught him music publishing was because on the Howard Stern Show, Howard Stern was like, so, Michael Jackson owns all your music and and Paul McGrath is like, yeah, that funny, you know? I I taught him what it was and then he just kinda kinda did this. I don't know if that's ballads of a regretful man or somebody that wants to appear intelligent, you know, and just wish they did it earlier but I don't know but he said he taught Michael Jackson about music publishing within two years. Jackson owned all of his music. Oh gosh.
Unknown Speaker (44:24): Ain't that crazy? I wonder who said was actually a true story. That he was saying. Well. You know.
Speaker 2 (44:30): Yes. Michael Jackson taught my Paul McCartney taught Michael Jackson about the value of music publishing which led to Jackson purchasing the ATV music catalog, including the Beatles songs in 1985 for 47,500,000.
Unknown Speaker (44:46): 47. Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:46): While collaborating in the early eighties, McCartney advised Jackson to invest in publishing rights as they generate long term wealth beyond record sales. During the recording of Say, Say, Say in 'eighty three, McCartney showed Jackson a notebook listing the catalogs he owned, explaining the high value of music publishing. Well, I mean, McCartney previously well
Unknown Speaker (45:09): There you go.
Unknown Speaker (45:10): But you taught me about it, so I bought your songs.
Unknown Speaker (45:13): Yeah.
Unknown Speaker (45:13): And, you know, 3000% return. I mean, 3000% return is crazy. I'm looking at it here. Oh my god.
Unknown Speaker (45:22): That's so insane.
Speaker 2 (45:23): Michael Jackson, how publishing works, then it could afford to obtain.
Speaker 1 (45:29): A pupil has become the master is kind of what that sounds like, you know?
Speaker 2 (45:32): In '95 and and '85, he bought it for 47,000,000. He sold half to Sony for 95,000,000. Gosh. In 1995.
Unknown Speaker (45:42): This is large numbers, which is large.
Speaker 2 (45:44): And then numbers. The state sold the rest for 750,000,000 in 2016.
Unknown Speaker (45:51): Oh my god. Imagine what it would have been worth ten years later. Jeez. Oh my gosh. In 2026.
Unknown Speaker (45:57): Oh. This year? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Would have been insane.
Speaker 2 (46:00): Crazy. But what is, I mean, when you think about music and national parks, I don't know if I got a good link there. Does anybody sing that you can think of?
Speaker 1 (46:07): I think about Guthrie, Arlo Guthrie's. Yeah. We're no. Arlo Guthrie is the who's the father of Arlo Guthrie? Is it Arlo Guthrie?
Unknown Speaker (46:17): Woody There we go.
Unknown Speaker (46:19): This land is our land.
Unknown Speaker (46:19): This land is our land. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:21): This land is my land.
Speaker 1 (46:22): Get off. That one, Arlo Guthrie was a little different. His son was a little different coming into Los Angeles with a couple of keys. That was a little different.
Speaker 2 (46:30): And Al's different restaurant. You can get anything you wanted Alice's restaurant.
Speaker 1 (46:34): I don't like that song. Also, Alice's restaurant, we watched the Jeremiah Tower documentary about that restaurant at Stanford and Jeremiah Tower constructed basically all of the menu and brought French cuisine to America. She made a cookbook that was inspired by all of the recipes that he gave her restaurant to be successful. She never accredited him. Never accredited him.
Speaker 1 (46:55): I think there's a half written note at the end and then he disappears for about ten years, starts stars in the early nineties, late eighties, and then the earthquake happens. The San Francisco earthquake destroys stars, destroys pretty much all of the headquarters in San Francisco. He gives up on stars which now has 20 plus locations worldwide, disappears for another decade, two decades, three decades, and then he makes that documentary that me and you watched about five years ago. Wow. Insane.
Speaker 1 (47:27): Wow. Great time. Jeremiah Tower.
Unknown Speaker (47:30): Oh, wow. So, national parks. Is Antarctica, when we went there, was that a national park?
Speaker 1 (47:34): I would consider it. I don't know. I would consider it one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:38): It's protected but it's not owned by us. It's not owned by Chile. It's not owned by like nobody owns it. They have a protection area for it. I I think of all the national parks.
Speaker 2 (47:48): I've been to a bunch of national parks in Africa. I've been to national parks in New Zealand and Australia. We went to national parks in India. You and I do we go to any national? We went to a national park in I think Gavirni is a national park.
Unknown Speaker (48:04): I think that what what is it? What's Omaha Beach? Beats me.
Unknown Speaker (48:13): Beaches me.
Speaker 2 (48:14): What do you think of Omaha? Do you know what Omaha Beach is?
Unknown Speaker (48:16): Yeah. Yeah. World War two. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker (48:18): Yeah. That beach, that's a big park. Huge park. Oh, it's
Unknown Speaker (48:22): a park. Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:23): Yeah. Remember there. A huge national park. I mean, in in the city, Virginia, you know, I've been to the Everglades.
Speaker 1 (48:32): That's that's Shenandoah? That's a state park though. Shenandoah is a state park.
Speaker 2 (48:35): I'm trying to think of, like, I would love to go to Dismal Swamp. I've never been there.
Unknown Speaker (48:40): Dismal Swamp.
Unknown Speaker (48:41): Right.
Unknown Speaker (48:41): A Dismal Swamp or
Speaker 2 (48:43): Dismal? Dismal. Lake Drummond is the lake in the middle of it.
Unknown Speaker (48:46): I've heard of that.
Speaker 2 (48:48): It's in Virginia. It's, you know, that that's, you know, the national parks. We've been to a lot of them in the Midwest. Portland would be
Unknown Speaker (48:56): cool because they have the deepest lake in the in the nation,
Unknown Speaker (49:00): I think.
Speaker 1 (49:01): What is? Portland. Portland has the deepest lake in the nation, I think.
Unknown Speaker (49:05): Really?
Unknown Speaker (49:05): Or maybe in the world. It might be Portland.
Unknown Speaker (49:07): So we could drown people there.
Speaker 1 (49:09): May maybe there's a shark at the bottom and it's like a model shark and it freaks people out. Yeah. What's his name? Bob. But oh, but in the three decades, the Jeremiah Tower disappeared, Tavern on the Green, he was the only one to be able to reinvent the menu and actually successfully turn, I think like a partial profit or something at Tavern in the Green for the first time in like fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (49:32): Yeah. Wow. That was also important. Hard restaurant to run-in New York. That is not an easy restaurant to run.
Speaker 1 (49:38): 300 plus person as heating capacity. So, you're dealing with a lot. You're dealing with a lot. Weird.
Unknown Speaker (49:44): We did a show there.
Unknown Speaker (49:45): Crazy.
Speaker 2 (49:46): Did a show there. Yeah. I did a luncheon show there. Let me think. I'd be like late nineties, early early o one.
Unknown Speaker (49:55): No.
Speaker 2 (49:55): But we were we were that's when we were in a restaurant that I'd go in and speak and talk to people about what was happening about our company and all that kind of stuff like that. But we did it on Tavern on the Green because it's iconic restaurant in New York. And shockingly, it's cheaper to rent a restaurant midweek than it is to actually have an event at a hotel.
Unknown Speaker (50:14): He would have been around there 2010, I think. So I don't know if that's
Unknown Speaker (50:18): So we missed him.
Unknown Speaker (50:19): Yeah. You missed them by decade.
Speaker 2 (50:21): It went it it it got shut down. It went in the shitter like after the o one crash.
Unknown Speaker (50:26): He was the one that was brought on.
Speaker 2 (50:28): He brought it back probably in o four, o five, and that's that's probably what happened. What other national parks when you think about that we've been
Unknown Speaker (50:35): That we've been to? I can't really think of it.
Speaker 2 (50:38): Is Great Falls National Park? Is that the state? That's That's national.
Unknown Speaker (50:42): It is, really.
Speaker 2 (50:44): I I went to when I went to Delaware, I went to Assateague National Park.
Speaker 1 (50:48): Oh, I've been there. The Mini Horse Island. Mini Horse Island is really Mini Horse Island. 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10 on that park.
Unknown Speaker (50:55): Where else did we go?
Unknown Speaker (50:56): Mini Horse Island is great. Oh, I love that island.
Speaker 2 (50:59): We went to we went to Florida. Remember we had breakfast with Edwin on Amelia Island, which I think there's a huge park there. I
Speaker 1 (51:10): place we go on the floats. The the with the clear water in Florida. And you Oh.
Unknown Speaker (51:16): It's too cold for
Unknown Speaker (51:17): the alligators.
Unknown Speaker (51:18): It's a Tucknee.
Unknown Speaker (51:19): That that's
Speaker 2 (51:20): It's Tucknee Springs, I believe, is a national park.
Unknown Speaker (51:23): National or state? That's actually don't know. I think it is national because that's a big deal, actually.
Unknown Speaker (51:29): That's a
Unknown Speaker (51:30): really big deal.
Unknown Speaker (51:31): Yep. Two and a half hours in the thing.
Speaker 1 (51:33): You know where I wanna go? Death Valley. Death Valley is a national park.
Speaker 2 (51:36): We all when when Jose and I climbed Mount Whitney, we came off of Mount Whitney the after three days. And then we hops in our car and we drive through Death Valley. And it pours rain lightning strikes because we have a hotel rented in Death Valley, and then we're taking a flight out the next day. And we get to the hotel and I have a brew. I have a blister this big.
Speaker 2 (52:02): I have a picture of him, seeing it on the back of my heel where the skin is rubbed down to blood and the left foot. But anyway, I remember getting in the tub and it turns brown from dirt. We do this. So then we get our bourbon and we go out and we're watching it rain in Death Valley. And I didn't realize how, what a big deal that was, because it happens once a year.
Speaker 2 (52:22): And it just so happened that it happened the year, and we saw lightning striking. It was crazy, you know. The next day we get up and we go out and we hop on a flight in Vegas and go home. But it was like, it, it is, I would think if you want to go to Death Valley that you want to go at night, number one.
Unknown Speaker (52:39): Winter. Got to go in the winter.
Speaker 2 (52:43): But it's it it was because
Speaker 1 (52:46): I'm missing I'm missing two parks, two national parks from California.
Unknown Speaker (52:50): Really?
Unknown Speaker (52:51): Yeah. Death Valley is one of them. And then there's I
Unknown Speaker (52:53): would go.
Speaker 1 (52:54): I can't remember the other one. I think it's like, where the sand meets to something.
Speaker 2 (52:59): We're thinking about Glacier National Park, Acadia National Park, you know, there's there's so many.
Unknown Speaker (53:06): We'll get into Winnebago, and we'll we'll kill each other. How does that sound? What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (53:12): See, would I would rather take a bedroll and then try to stay at at, you know, the highest star hotels that they had in any little place we stayed. You know?
Speaker 1 (53:21): You know what's funny is Redwoods is really hard to find lodging. It's Yeah. Because it's all Motel six and it's a bunch of motels either that because I did it through Capital One travel and they have like the highest rated normally. It's vetted pretty heavily except compared to Expedia where they're gonna be like, oh, this was rated by and then you think they're lying to you because they are. They were like Capital One actually has persnickety people like myself that will say, please don't stay here.
Speaker 1 (53:48): There was one review of the old school house in had one where they said, on the day that you leave, they start playing really loud music at 8AM so that you check out by eleven and I I think that's insane. Like, it just comes on over the speakers.
Speaker 2 (54:03): Can I can I tell you something else? Yeah. Hilton, New York. I you pay $6,800 a night. You stay there.
Speaker 2 (54:12): No. I take that back. Marriott. What's the one in Times Square? It's like one of their Marriott Marquis.
Speaker 2 (54:19): I stayed there in one of those huge suites. I think it was a thousand dollars a night. God. It's 07:30 in the morning. There's a person.
Speaker 2 (54:30): She's she walks the she walks the hallway, and she has a key. And she knocks on your door with a key. And she unlocks your door and looks in. Oh, just checking to see if you're still here. What?
Unknown Speaker (54:43): Crazy. Crazy.
Speaker 2 (54:45): That. Time I've stayed there, that's been the thing. During the week. Now I don't if they do it on weekends, but they do it during the week because remember, most people are business travelers. They come in.
Speaker 2 (54:55): They stay at night, and then they they leave the next morning, and they go to the office, and they take their bags with them, and they don't check out, and they don't do anything. That's what most people do.
Unknown Speaker (55:03): 07:30 is a little early to be doing that thing.
Unknown Speaker (55:05): Exactly. For me, it was like
Unknown Speaker (55:07): A little early to be
Speaker 2 (55:08): We we were drinking till 2AM, like, every time this happened. So I'd be like, what the fuck? You know, you would I would just be cussing in the room, and she would go, sorry. Shut the door. And then go, and then I would hear on the next door all the way down the hallway.
Speaker 2 (55:24): I could hear it the the That boy just up. On the door so loud. And I was like, Marriott Marquis, you suck ass.
Unknown Speaker (55:31): We hate back. No. And we don't want we don't want a sponsorship podcast sponsorship. No. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (55:37): Well, I hated I hated Hilton. So I hated Hilton for twenty years and cost a couple million dollars. And so that was always the thing. But what other what other national parks so we have Acadia's on the list. Glacier National Park is on the list.
Unknown Speaker (55:51): There's one in Japan I wanna do. What? There's one in Japan I wanna do with the snow monkeys. I think that's a national park too.
Speaker 2 (55:58): Did you go to what the hell's the one in the North?
Speaker 1 (56:04): We didn't do anything in the North other than skiing.
Unknown Speaker (56:07): You didn't go to Kyoto? No. No. No. Okay.
Unknown Speaker (56:10): Kyoto is just amazing. We did
Unknown Speaker (56:12): five days, four or five days in Tokyo, which you can really do. Like, we did not get bored. Like, it was five days. No. No.
Speaker 1 (56:20): Tokyo. Like, you don't get bored. And that's like one city. Like, New York, you do for five days. Like, that's a that's a bit much.
Speaker 1 (56:26): But, like, no. Tokyo five days, you you can do anything you want. It's crazy.
Unknown Speaker (56:31): They have
Speaker 1 (56:31): a rainforest cafe in Tokyo, Disneyland. Funny enough.
Unknown Speaker (56:35): They also have a Hooters.
Unknown Speaker (56:37): No way. Do they really well, the Hooters went bankrupt recently, didn't they?
Speaker 2 (56:40): Yeah. But not on we went to the one in Japan. And the reason we went to the the Hooters in Tokyo is like, and you're like, you go to Tokyo and eat at Hooters. And it's like, we were eat, it was 02:00 in the afternoon, 02:30. All the restaurants close.
Speaker 2 (56:54): And they open up again at four. And the reasoning and I was I asked somebody and it's like, Well, why would you eat then? That's stupid. They don't, you don't, you don't eat in between. There's lunch.
Speaker 2 (57:07): There's breakfast. There's lunch, and there's dinner. And you don't, why why would you eat?
Unknown Speaker (57:12): I need to tell you something actually that I figured out recently about your Japan trip. What year did you go to Japan with Jim? Was it 2019? I
Unknown Speaker (57:20): have to check.
Speaker 1 (57:22): Tell me what year it was because I have a theory. So, Hero Dreams of Sushi was a documentary made about Hero, this guy that is a older man, I would say in his eighties who's been making sushi for his whole life, right? And he talks about being able to come up with different menu items through his dreams but he no longer serves foreigners. Foreigners are
Unknown Speaker (57:43): twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (57:44): Okay. Perfect. This this goes to my point. This confirms my theory because you were kicked out of a restaurant for wearing your shoes. I believe
Speaker 2 (57:51): Well, I don't know if was wearing our shoes. I don't he just did not like us because we were
Unknown Speaker (57:56): we felt white. Well, there's no foreigner restaurants there. There are no foreign restaurants.
Speaker 2 (58:00): We didn't when we went in there, it was so funny because there was like the we we go there. It's the best restaurant in Tokyo for sushi. And we we we show up. Yeah. You might be
Unknown Speaker (58:10): responsible for why. I don't know. You might
Speaker 2 (58:12): be or 05:00 in the afternoon. It was early. We figured, hey. We can get a table. There's there's 30 tables in there.
Speaker 2 (58:19): There's three tables being used. And the guy's at the door, and he looks at us like with disgust. And he's like, well, can we, get a can we get a table? And he goes, do you have a reservation? And and I'm looking around the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (58:34): I don't say anything. I said, oh, I'm sorry. No. We didn't make one. Do we need to make one?
Speaker 2 (58:38): And he goes and I said, well, can we concede if we don't have one? And he goes, no. It doesn't no tables will open up. And so then we're like, okay. So what if we should we wait until the table opens up?
Speaker 2 (58:52): And he goes, no table will open up.
Speaker 1 (58:58): Oh, no. But you were responsible. I don't know. That might have been right when they started instituting it because that's he was famous sushi chef in Japan from what I understand.
Speaker 2 (59:07): It was it was racism in Japan. You could just feel that Mhmm. He did not like us when we walked through the door. I'm I don't know if we bombed his uncle and killed him. He was an older guy.
Unknown Speaker (59:17): You know, who knows? Well, that
Speaker 1 (59:18): might have been hero. You might have met hero himself. Yeah. Which you know. Well, he's also been doing it for about his whole life.
Speaker 1 (59:25): So, you know, reservation culture there is huge. Reservation culture is gigantic in that country.
Unknown Speaker (59:31): We said we would make one.
Unknown Speaker (59:33): Yeah. Well, I mean.
Speaker 2 (59:34): None of and he said none available.
Unknown Speaker (59:36): Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (59:37): Because we were there for another day. We're like, well, can we make a reservation for tomorrow? And he goes, no.
Unknown Speaker (59:42): None. Not available. No.
Unknown Speaker (59:44): It it was basically fuck you. Get out of my restaurant. I'm not serving you.
Unknown Speaker (59:48): That's the culture. I mean, it's reservation based off you.
Speaker 2 (59:50): Tell me to go away. And I was like, okay. I understand. And we got it. And I walked outside.
Unknown Speaker (59:55): I looked over at Jim and I go, was that was that racist? He goes, wow. Yes. It was. He hates white people really bad.
Unknown Speaker (1:00:04): No foreigner restaurants, man. I mean No. It was not.
Unknown Speaker (1:00:08): It was white people. It was very
Unknown Speaker (1:00:10): Well, you're foreigner. You're foreigner. Yeah. Yeah. Foreigner.
Unknown Speaker (1:00:12): No foreigner restaurant.
Speaker 2 (1:00:13): Yeah. I guess it's, you know, it's like the Christians hate the Muslims now or whatever they hate here. It's it's that way. It's crazy. It is so crazy.
Unknown Speaker (1:00:22): Wow. What? But you gotta hop on a plane. You gotta hop on a plane soon. Right?
Unknown Speaker (1:00:26): I sure do. I gotta shower too.
Unknown Speaker (1:00:28): We have our hit list. We have our hit list of the three parks we're gonna do.
Unknown Speaker (1:00:32): We do.
Speaker 2 (1:00:33): Oh, by the way, I may I'm gonna check on plans to go to, Petra. And
Unknown Speaker (1:00:39): Oh, I'm going. I'm going. I'll drop off.
Speaker 2 (1:00:41): Egypt. But it might be October this year.
Unknown Speaker (1:00:43): So Sounds good to me.
Unknown Speaker (1:00:44): We'll see.
Unknown Speaker (1:00:45): I'll be there. Well I'll quit my job. I don't care. Alright.
Unknown Speaker (1:00:47): Okay.
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