Episode 140: Ethics

0:09 Welcome back to another episode of Record, My Father. Today we're going to be talking about ethics, business ethics, and then I think also moral ethics because I don't know, we were talking about this the other day. They should, I think, intersect, but go ahead. I think they, they definitely intersect, you're right. And there's a depletion, there's a depletion and there's a wait in this country that feels heavy, I think. And I think that it's because the lack of moral integrity that day-to-day life just feels kind of hard. I don't know what it is in any sort of circumstance that you're in. Because going to different countries recently, it seems like that weight isn't there, that the people aren't as hard or as conniving as they are in the US currently. And it isn't all for me.

0:53 It's it's for us, you know, I don't know. What do you think? Well, I think that that that one of the things I noticed is that when you when you sit there and if if you see somebody that you support and care about and have voted for whatever and that person does something abhorrent to you, that typically in today's environment, instead of accepting responsibility and dealing with it, you will turn and point to what somebody else did. Now, if I had two kids and one kid threw a rock at another kid and hit him and that kid turned to me and said, well, my older brother Zach did it. I'd smack the shit out of him.

1:45 I mean, I wouldn't that wouldn't be a good enough excuse. But but somehow in today's, you know, childless environment, that seems to be OK if you could just point to what the other guys did because that means that you're OK and you were like, well, actually it doesn't. You know it means that you're both pieces of shit. I couldn't agree, just one of you. I couldn't agree more. Especially with people my age as well. I feel like I'm seeing a more this is the way I am, I'm this way and you just got to accept it. And or everybody else does it. That's that will never help anybody else other than myself, because why would I, you know? Right fuck that that is that's just so selfish, nasty.

2:30 Whatever it is, I don't care. I totally disagree with that idea that we don't help our fellow man, fellow woman, fellow person. You know, I just, that to me is just it just, and I don't know why. I mean, you know, we were, we were not helped by many. We were helped by some growing up. But as far as like reaching out and helping others is like a big thing. But we, I mean, we were talking about ethics and I was really excited about this because I had, and I think ethics something that is with you throughout your life and you have choices and there are many choices in your life you're going to have, and some of them are going to be huge ethical questions that are going to come to you. And it's going to be a moral path that you're going to have to take.

3:14 You're going to have to say, I will do this. And this means from now on, I'm going to go in this direction or I'm going to do this and I'm going to go in this direction. You know, because I, I remember back in the 80s, you know, back before anybody that listens to this podcast was alive that we had, we just started our first business, Global Securities information. And we have one of our key customers who was with us and I would say probably responsible for 60% of our revenue. And he point blank told us that since he was financing our company, even though he was doing, we were, we were like, you're not financing a company, we're doing research and you're paying us for, you're paying a going rate for the reverse because we're the best research in the field and we were the best research.

4:01 And that was the key. He's like, be that as it's May, I think I deserve something in return and I want to see cash and I want to see it weekly. And he said this to me because I'm a pushover. Everybody asks a question to me. They always say, you know, hey, I want to have sex with your sister. They'll ask me. I mean, everything is all these filthy, hard questions. They come to me because I'm the easy guy. I'm the nice guy, right? So I can go to my partner, Richard Harrison. Great. You know, and to this day, probably hard to find somebody with that kind of level of integrity. And I have the same kind of integrity and I, you know, he's helped me, I've helped him, whatever the case may be.

4:42 But I, I told him the scenario and I said, I already know what I want to do, but if I'm going to destroy the business, you're, you're the other half. So I got to talk to you because that's only fair. And he's like, it's, there's no question. We, we, he, it's nothing. And we didn't, I told him, I said, now we can't, we can't do it. We're not going to do it. OK. He pulls off his services, our revenue drops by half. It's real tight. And this is like end of year 1, you know, we just started to do a little bit of dovetail up. So we're doing pretty well and he kills us for like 2 months, just nothing, no revenue, no things and I saw him I'd see him, you know, and, and, and no other work that they were doing. And it's it, it's this is a top 25 law firm in the world that I'm talking about research person had a research. So not, not something down low.

5:42 He came back. He came back and started using US and there was no words spoken, nothing came back and just started giving us all his work again because he realized that we were the best. We were the best in the field. And people were coming to us because we were better than other services. They were not coming to us because, you know, they could get craft. And that was, that was a very defining moment because if we had done that, if we had started paying him money for research, we would have got caught. And if we never got caught, we would have to do it for other people because it would have got out. You know, it's kind of like once you pay off the mafia, you got to pay off everybody. You, you can't, you can't do it. It's a line that you cross. And once you cross that, you know, and it's, it's you're, you're done, you're done. And that that's what we felt, that it was better to have no business at all then be under the foot or under the thumb of some, I don't know, piece of shit. But anyway.

6:41 Well I'm confused. Can you explain this to me real quick? So he's using a subscription based service, which is your service, No? Oh, he's not. Pay as pay as you go. Pay as you go. OK, I need I need I need 310 KS and I need their articles and bylaws and I need it. I need it today and I need it fast. But he'd use. Your service, but he wanted to be paid in return for what research though? What was the research? His law firm was paying our bill. Yeah. OK, So he orders three documents. It's $500. Gotcha. It the law firm pays the 500 for using our service. He wants 50 bucks. Interesting. Oh, I see what you're talking about now.

7:22 OK, I understand. OK, I understand. Now that makes sense. We. Had we had seen this? Never to that degree. I mean, I've had librarians push me for heavy discounts and stuff like that and you know, whatever, but I don't, I consider that part of the business world. I've had a, you know, push for dinners, which we've, we've done extensive, you know, $5000 dinners for five people, you know, so we've done some amazing things for customers, but I don't but that, but that didn't, I don't think that that never changed what they did. And another, I had another ethical question came a few years later. We were online at the live Edgar platform was all online.

8:04 It was being used and we were in like all the major law firms and we had top ten law firm partner at that top ten law, which is a big deal in a law firm if you're a partner. He was a senior partner and he wrote us a letter and in the letter, and he wrote it to me and he wrote it to Richard. He didn't write it to Nick, who was the 3rd partner with the technology guy, but we were, I was the CEO and Richard was the president. So he wrote us a letter and he said that he wanted us to donate to a particular cause. And I won't bring the cause up and I won't bring the law firm up because it would be incendiary to do that. You know, it's sort of like it doesn't really matter.

8:44 But he was very clear in his letter that we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars with you as a vendor and we expect and no, and I expect you to support my cause. Please let me know how much you're going to donate and win. That's a big control thing. Yeah, well. You know, very odd. Yeah, that was, that was very odd. Yeah. Well, because he's implying didn't say it, implying that they wouldn't use us if we didn't donate.

9:25 Didn't say it, just implied it. You know, there are many fenders in the field. We use you to the tune of such and such. Never said we will switch if you don't donate. He didn't, he just had to. He implied it all the way throughout. And this is this is not your, this is not line research guy. This is fucking leader in the firm and this is a firm that everybody that's in the legal community would know the name of if I said it. And the cause is very big too. So very scary, you know that. And, and we sat there, didn't answer the first one, then he sent us another one like within within a week. And then we replied and said the the global securities information does not pick charities for anybody. And we don't do anything to anybody. And individually, we, we decide our own charities on our own basis.

10:20 We actually had to write a letter and send it to him. It was so weird. You know, what was the reaction? Nothing. He just went away. Oh, he stopped using the service. No, he didn't. He never used it. He never used it anyway. He wasn't even in the, he wasn't, he wasn't even in the securities industry. He was just, he was just shaking us down. He was a litigator, you know, and it was like, but you know, it is what it is. He seemed to have the power, but we were like, we're not. And, and how do you, how do you address that? And that's something that that I'm going to post when we post this thing, when I post on LinkedIn, I'm going to say I got 2 ethical questions. If a, if a, if a person came to you and said, pay me and I'll use your services because they have a big budget, would you do it? And the second question, and, and if you wouldn't and you knew it was going to hurt your business, what would you do? Listen to the podcast.

11:11 And then the second question is, is if a senior leader at one of the publications that that spent a lot of money with you ask you to donate to his cause, would you do it? Because those two things could be pivotal. And he could have accused us of many things for not donating. He could have vocally said a lot of that. We were. The thing is, is in your mind, when you're a small business and a big, big named customer comes at you, you, you can't. You can't respond in a hostile way. You have to. You have to sit and take it and try to make it go away and disappear as opposed to, you know, you never whip out the double fingers. Fuck you.

11:52 Because once you just do that, once you get into a fight, you're going to lose. Don't burn bridges. Yeah, you can't. So so we we, you know, and it's it's a very, very both of those were tricky. Both of those in my mind, morally and ethically were wrong for those two to ask that. Absolutely. You know, we made the right choice. We could have been destroyed by the first one. We could have been semi destroyed by the second one. I mean, we've seen these things play out where where a customer gets upset about something and tells the world, you know, and they and they frame it in their own way because he could have framed it in his own way. And, you know, he's a senior partner law firm. People believe him over us any day of the week. And we knew that that's the fear. So we had to live with that fear for a little while, which is very, very stressful.

12:41 And those are those are my two big. I mean, I have many, many, many other moral dilemmas, you know, You know. Well, that was kind of interesting to just to bring this up. I don't know why I'm thinking about it. Was the guy that did Citizen Kane, what was his name? Orson Welles. Yeah, there we go. And he was in an interview and they were like, do you regret anything about your life? He's like, I regret absolutely every decision I've ever made in my life. And I've never heard somebody say that because 1. You have a lot of people that say they'll lie and say, oh, I I well, I don't have any regrets. I don't have this, that or the other. But then you have a lot of people that say, of course I have some regrets, but they're not really that's dying right at like, my life wouldn't have changed that much. And then you have Orson Welles.

13:30 They regretted absolutely everything. And I think that that's incredibly interesting. And that's sometimes on a basics basis of ethics, but also on a basis of where your decisions lie and where your interests lie. Yeah. But you might, you might just take that to the next level and say that it's not about regret. It's more like if all the decisions I made, I actually made the other side, then I have, my life would have been a completely different path. What would have looked like, right, 'cause he talked about getting into movies and he was saying I wish that I never did, 'cause it cost. It's costly one. And then also at the same time, it's an interest that has consumed my life that I lost relationships over, that I've never really fallen in love with anybody because of this interest. And at the same time, I want, I think it was more of a wonder of what that looks like of.

14:22 What of? A different life, what it looked like, 'cause have you mind you, Citizen Kane destroyed his life. It destroyed his life completely. He became a pretty huge drunk after. Cause the guy that that movie was about went after him first. Horribly. Yeah, there we go. William Randolph 1st. And when? After him? Strikingly so after. That well, that's what they that's what he was brought today. If you bad mouth Trump, you get in trouble and not only from him, but one of his his 64,000,000 followers, you know, you have to move. It goes there's a huge backlash. You know, many years ago, I don't think that and the presidents didn't attack individuals. So there's things like, I mean, you know, there, you're like, that's don't, don't want to raise the ire, you know, because think about every single thing you do. And if there's, there's tons of reasons that the government could look at you.

15:22 There's tons of reasons that people that don't like you could drive by your house and just throw the trash in your front yard. There's, I mean just. I'm worried about the security state thing. I think the on the basis of ethics for that cause China has it now. It's called the Red List. And they have such good facial recognition software that if you jaywalk or if you commit any sort of like these misdemeanor crimes that you can be stripped from leaving the country. I would. That's a very interesting concept if that were to happen in America, because I thought we were against this kind of. Ordinal Well, they're, they're, they're doing that. They're doing that to a certain degree. And I was just reading an article in Atlantic about a guy that didn't realize a Canadian and he wrote an article that was not favorable to the administration. Crazy.

16:13 And he was coming into LA, He never say anything about it. Had his name wasn't I don't know if his name was in the byline or not, but the but the people stop him at customs and say, you know why we're stopping you, don't you? He's like, what? You know why we're stopping you? Why? Because you wrote that article. Wild, that is. That's what we're doing in the US right now. We're stopping and, and ethically for me, I don't really care what you wrote about anybody. I may not like you or like you, but that should not allow me to control where you go and how you go in my country. You shouldn't have to love our administration just to come to this country.

17:01 That's just stupid. We have such an obsession with our Constitution as well, and I don't know, under the 1st Amendment. Only when it's advantageous to us. Oh, I love that that's. Great. We're not, we're not obsessed with the Constitution when it's when it's against what we want. Yeah, when the Supreme Court votes against us, we're like. Well, that was the whole Second Amendment, the whole Second Amendment thing that me and you were talking about the other day, that was about. The well regulated militia. There we go. Yeah, It's the right to bear arms in a well regulated militia. It's not the right to bear arms in each citizen because of the Quartering Act, which was what I was led to believe. That is what really I was led to believe was the Quartering Act was enacted, which was to what make so British soldiers could stay in your house as as colonists.

17:48 And the whole reason you had a Second Amendment right was to so that you could protect yourself from them. But I don't know where I kind of drew that conclusion from. It's interesting, yeah. Funny, but how's what's that have to ethically? When you look at your life, you've you've had apartments, you've had people, you've had things. What if you had like a a moral conundrum come to you? Not in the business really. I I just paying people on time is something that I've always been big on, paying people on time and paying people properly. Personally. Is something that I've, I've been, I've been big on personally. Have I had a moral conundrum? Not really.

18:31 I can't really think of. So I'm sure I have, I'm sure, but not one to to really think about right now. I guess during when we were shooting the movie, there was something about these people when we arrived and even with a language barrier, it's kind of funny. It's very self-evident that these people were kind of saying in Mongolian that our story is more important than those people over there because they want to be on camera and and being able to visibly see that is interesting because you contacted this person prior to say we're going to do the interview on her. And then a little do do you know that like the whole community comes out and like, but she's this, she's this, that or the other.

19:12 She's not us. We're the important people. And it's kind of interesting to read that even with a language barrier is is because and when they were explaining it to us Even so you can read in between the T line on your face, like when people are lying to you. I don't know. It's very obvious to me. Yeah. And that is something that we had to deal with and to kind of construct more so reconstruct the story a little bit while we were there or not really even that just what we're going to shoot, you know? Morals and ethics I think about. I got another story Nationwide, our insurance guy, Matt, Matt Stone, really good guy, comes to our, comes to our office when we're growing and we're about 55 people and he goes, well, you know, and I just got moved in my own office.

20:04 I finally got I, we, they moved us in our own office because when I would sit down, we used to be just an open air place. And and I'm a known cusser and I cuss and I cuss at the sky, and I cuss at my computer and I cuss at my phone. And I don't cuss at people, but if you're sitting, you know, 20 feet away from me and you're psychotic, you you might believe that I'm talking about you. And we had people in the room that thought I was talking about them. And he said it's better that you go in another room. And also it was really, really good because it helped us think. It helped us jump past just being researchers. It helped us move to the next level. So I credit Eric with that, you know, But anyway, the The thing is, is the agent sitting there and we're sitting across my desk and he goes, oh, because you got you got to go over 50 people now because you know what happens then?

20:52 And I'm like, what? He was well, well, people are like rabbits, man. And I'm like, what? And he said they're they're procreating in this office now. I'm like, what? He said, well, they're not probably not. They're probably attempting to everywhere. And he's and he looks at me and he goes, do you do you wipe your desk off in the morning? I was like, what? And he goes, you need to start doing that. I'm like, what? And he's like, yeah, they're, he said this desk is the number one place that everybody wants to procreate on. And I was just like, is that a moral or an ethical thing?

21:34 I don't know. I. Think that that's funny? That's coming from an insurance guy. Yeah, and that was the insurance guy and I was just like, OK, I I will wipe this down. He said it's it's good to know because you do not want to eat your lunch on his desk after somebody's ass has been on it or or never said ass. He he was like after somebody's derriere has been laying here and there might be something left behind that would wouldn't go well with food, you know, and just something to that effect. And I was just like, Oh my gosh, the olden days. Yeah, we had a we had a lot that, that that's more moral than. And I don't know if it's it is it unethical to have sex on the boss's desk? I don't, I mean. I don't even know if that's really a question of it. I guess I. Guess, I don't know.

22:14 It's, it's just like it's is it a moral thing? I don't, you know, is the thing of power. I can't, you know. But there were many. There were many, many, many people that came to me afterward and said, Oh, yeah, sorry. Well, I think the world has become so fast-paced that it's hard to have any sort of identity that's interlaced and it's your own because I think before, before the Internet, you didn't have people projecting different personalities that you 24/7 or as you go on social media now. And it's like here I am building my new tower, Studio 2. And then you swipe down and then say, here I am, I love guns. And then it's here I am, I'm a book reader, here I am, I went to here, here, here.

23:04 And this is my life as a truck driver now. And it's like all of these different lifestyles are projected at you 24/7 that it's hard to even identify your own anymore of what you're you're personally interested in and what a pursuit of, I don't even know, hobbies looks like for the individual now. That's very interesting. Do you think that it's that you allow the projection and that you can turn it off? It's an addiction. It's become an addiction. It is an addiction. I, I would not argue with that. I, I would not push away from that. And I see them trying to legislate it a little bit and there's huge push back in the industry about, you know, narrowing any reason or use for the phone. But I mean, it's like it isn't you, you know, I look at it too much and I look at stupid stuff way too much. I go through periods where I delete Instagram because it's just the reels.

23:54 The algorithm is too good. The algorithm it's really good. It's too, too good. I can't. I don't even want to know what the algorithm is going to look like for. Five I go to Facebook and I and I wheel through the 1st 3 or 4 posts. Nobody I of course I know. And then I go to the reels and I go to like, and I watch the reels and those reels are just, they are addicted, the short of reels, you know, and it's just like, whoa, whoa, well. It's cut for the three second. Yeah, yeah. They're the, they're the best 30 seconds of every movie I've ever watched, you know? It's like, whoa, there was this comedian that was talking about, he was on I think David Letterman or something recently and he was talking about they're like, oh, what are you doing? He's like, well I'm watching The Godfather in three second intervals on YouTube Shorts. Exactly the reels for YouTube and it's. Fun.

24:43 I've seen it. I've I've watched, I've watched pieces of that. I've watched what's the Denzel Washington one equalizer equalizer where he goes through and kills them all. I I watch that. I watch pieces of that probably 100 times. I love that I would and I've seen the movies. I've seen them all, but here I was watching little set things there because essentially what it is is it's hello. I'm a good person. This is a bad person. He's going to suffer and that's what you see. And he sucks and that's it. It's it's very, very quick. It's hello. I'm a good person. I'm getting he. This guy's done bad things. Here's his retribution, you know, very, very, very quick.

25:27 And that to me is just, you know, and it and just over and over and over formulation. Yeah. Or Matt Damon when he goes in there and he's doing the same thing with, with his Bourne movies and he's in there and it's just, you know, cuz the funny comedic long thing where you got to tell a joke doesn't work. If you tell a joke quickly that shoots, then it's then it, you know, and it hits. It's stupid, it's silly, but it's short, you know, you know, abject racism, you know, sexism. I mean, some of that sells. I feel like, you know, for me, no. It definitely does.

26:07 Morally, the whole sexual and racial stuff bothers me, but I, I, I, I can't, I, I would not watch that. I remember Meme showed me a video the other day, there was this cat on a motorcycle and it was AI video and it was a motorcycle with like a house that was like attached to it or something. And it was like a cat house. And Meme was just watching these cat motorcycle AI videos for I think it was like 2530 minutes. And it's like, it's so interesting. I don't know to like for somebody that grew up washing painter's pants in lie in the basement for her husband and to watch, I don't know, to blame mahjong on an iPad and watching AI motorcycle cat house videos.

26:52 It's such interesting. I don't know transfer of identity. I guess to say I don't know transfer of. Well, they have punched the monkey now to do. Have you heard about that? Yeah. I have heard, I mean it's nothing more than a 32nd 12 second video where the monkey gets bullied, he runs over and he gets a little fake tuffy doll and that saves him. Well, the monkey his he was abandoned as a child, and that they gave it to him as like a mother. Get over it, a lot of people are abandoned. Well, that was the so, so funny as I saw a meme that was like, my life is 1000 times worse than punch the monkeys. That was a meme that I saw. I was like, that's so. Funny, my life is 1000 times, but there's people going to Japan now to see Punch the Monkey and the lines are around the Really.

27:40 Yeah. And then I asked. I was. Last night we were coming home from. Dinner. And I asked, I asked your mom. I said, hey, should we go see punch the monkey? And she goes, I'm not going to Japan to see a monkey. And I said, well, we would see other things. Well, you would. Go see the snow monkeys in the north, which I wish I saw. I wish I saw those guys because they're weird looking and they're really, they're really weird looking. Yeah, they look like monks and it's kind of nice. But she's very adamantly opposed to Zeus. I don't know when the monkey gets its legs cut off because it was abandoned or something and it was a baby and then it needs to be sanctuary because. Going to be killed and eaten out in the. Wild. It's either die, live in a cage for the rest of your life or be dead. And so, I mean, some people would say I'd rather be dead, not going to lie.

28:24 But like when we were at the Denver Aquarium and there was a Bengal tiger in the Denver aquarium, you remember that? It just looks sad the whole time. And I was like, why is there a tiger in aquarium? Made no sense. And I don't know. That was interesting. Well, they get hurt. It's like when we went to the aquarium at I mean, and that's a good ethical question. If you get a bird that is hurt and if you put them in a cage, he can live forever. But if you leave him outside, the crows are going to kill him in an hour. Owl. You remember the owl when I was? There we saw the owl in our backyard. We saw that and we went and we picked it up, put in a box, we took it to the vet and they were like, it died. Oh, did it died?

29:09 We didn't tell you that. I just told you that right now, Yeah. You told me that it made a full recovery. I did. I lied. That's. Crazy. Actually, that's a crazy. Thing that was a beautiful owl and we picked it up, we got it out of there, but it was a really, really old owl and it was just at the end of its life and it, it wandered out of its hole and, you know, in the, in the dirt daylight crows were hitting it, trying to kill it and eat it, just like 20 or 30 crows. And there was a couple of those Turkey vultures around. Remember it was crazy 'cause we heard it straight. But that's what happens in the wild, you know, that's sadly, you know, that's, that's what they do is they, you know, it dies 'cause it's old and weak and they eat it. Or if it's young and not not fully developed, they you know, that's, that's what happens in the industry and that's what happens to everything.

30:00 You know, you know, that's how the. Whole thing now too, is that I think a lot of people run their lives based on the animal Kingdom and they're like, well, if animals don't provide a morality or ethics in their own circumstances, why should I? I'm an animal. I'm I'm a an excerpt of a monkey. And fuck off, we pay. Taxes and. Fuck off. We take care of your kids. We take care of health care. We take care of things. Stop that. That's that's silly. That's absurd. If you want to be. Should I care about people? We're just if you want to be part of society, you need to care about other people. Sorry, that's just it. I completely agree. Otherwise, go live in the mountains and leave. Don't take any resources because people say, well, I don't have any kids. We ride on the roads and you get to eat the burgers that they make and they're getting it and they got educated by my dime and your dime.

30:48 So they're going to be better and better for society and make you payless taxes later because they're going to make more money. So think about it. And and also it's the right thing to do. Leave the world a better place, and if you can't leave the world a better place, just the people around you. That's the one thing. It's not that hard to just stretch out and reach out to the people around you and show them that, you know, life is we. We can have happiness and short bursts. We don't. You know you can't always have it all the time. That's what I think Cub Scouts taught me.

31:29 Leave No Trace and things like that. Yeah, I thought beating up the guy. Well, yeah, don't get caught sexually. Or something. Children, either man, that was crazy. You see that come out a couple years ago. The huge string of Cub Scouts that people were, or maybe it was Boy Scouts, was a Boy Scout. USA is dissolved because of that. Because of the molestation. Wow. Yeah, My gosh. We had. We had. Sadly enough though, I I learned a lot in the Cub Scouts, man. We had one. We had one in our midst. We didn't know it. And then he just disappeared. And then I thought he. Applied and you're like, well why is the guy applying to work with children if he has no children? That's weird. There's, there's a lot of guys, there was a lot of guys in scouts that are that way, that's, and then you start to realize that maybe that's bad.

32:16 And, and like when we were in the scouts, there was a guy that came around and said he wanted to take photos and the moms are like, oh, that'd be great. We would have CDs. And when they do this, you're like, I don't think that's why we coming here. Well, you know, what's interesting too is I heard about, you know, those I DS I used to get when I was a kid. It was the no child or it was the missing children report or something as a white card and it had the kids ID on it. Apparently that was funded by Jeffrey Epstein. Crazy enough. Yeah, that he was interlinked with that whole organization because if you think about it, it's so. Then he can have a set of. National interface with like every child in America, every child in the public school was in that interface. Isn't that funny?

32:56 Crazy. That's crazy. Oh my gosh. Well, you'd want to look at them in the poorest things in the poorest area and that's what they targeted. Well, that was. Like when we live right on the bridge of Maryland and women of color that were like teenagers were disappearing on a weekly basis. On a weekly basis, they disappear like that in Maryland and they're like, oh, they're all runaways. So I'm like, you're saying that there's 500 runaways like every two months. That's that's not right. No, that doesn't make sense. That's crazy. That's all lazy. To this work. No, exactly. They've never done anything anyway. They show up after the crime has been committed. It's a it's a wasteful job. Oh my gosh, I did myself.

33:40 So as far as ethics, as far as like, I feel that the way that we perpetuate better ethics and better morals and better, better society as a whole is to emulate them is to show them to others in public and to do the right thing. And I think that we, you know, over and over and over again. And, and I guess basically what I'm saying is I'm going to have to sign off to Facebook because I'm really a horrible person there. I need to take another social media break as well. It's it's exhausting. It's it's very tiring because then you feel like you have all these options in front of you. You're like, what should I do with my life? And then you do nothing, you know, like, I don't know. It's really, it really is that. I'll just smoke another joint and sit here and think about it.

34:23 Yeah, exactly. No. It's well, it's also there's a level. Of Self importance in American culture too, I think ever since my generation, which was the generation of participation trophies since and self importance as well. And I think that there was a lot of people that were saying, well, you should go out and do this 'cause they vicariously lived through their children, but even society more so it was pushed not only through those relationships that people had with their children, but also it was influenced by sports teams. It was influenced by adolescent sports, adolescent clubs. You should always be the most important person in the room. And I think that that's where we are now.

35:04 It's the society is that all of these self important people grew up and are now adults. And they're self important adults, you know? Yeah. Sad and you see it you see it through the government, you see it through Congress, you see it through place after place after place and it's you know, and we talk about ethics. It's like I, I, I see today that it, it's OK. There's too many things that are OK today that wouldn't have been OK five years ago. Completely agree. You know, there's just so many things that are it just seems to be openly taking money and doing things that would would have been three or four years ago, five years ago, illegal.

35:45 It it's just, it's, it's just one more thing. It's, it's, it's there's not enough time to deal with that. We got to move on to the next one. The next. One, there's no moral baseline anywhere, anywhere. Yeah, it seems weird that you know, and it's not and and it's the. Absolutely. That's what it is. Has nothing to do with religion. OK, not nailing the souls of Christians on my feet is not going to make me be a better person. It's not going to happen. I know a lot more people that are evil to go to church every Sunday than the people that abuse drugs every Saturday and Friday. One day a week, you know, religious. People. Yeah, yeah, those people are very nice.

36:26 Yeah, Yeah, You don't. I don't. You, you don't. I mean, I'm a firm believer that you don't need it can help you. It can give you a moral compass. It can give you a direction. It can give you a crutch, something to lean on to make your life better. Absolutely. But it's not a necessity. It's not a necessity to be a good person. It's not a necessity to make the right decisions. It's not. It's not, it's. It's an institution that is really projected. If you look in these these third world countries, the US being one of them now or becoming 1, you see these people that are told, oh, don't work on your life, just pray and life will change for you. And why do you think that these nations have struggled with all of this rampant missionary work for so long and they haven't been able to really advance forward? And it's because they were given the belief that if they prayed hard enough, the life would change for them. And if in the last 100 years, 200 years, it hasn't really changed that much, the praying hasn't changed and it hasn't advanced their society.

37:29 So I don't know. Well, they they've enriched those that came to subjugate them. Exactly. You know they've done well with that and subjugate them with religion and authority. You know, you look at all these countries and that's, you know, religion was the lead lead to get in to change everybody to make them non heathens. And once they became that then all of a sudden they were good citizens. But you know, there's the center of pedophilia. You know you're. Like, wow. Yeah, and all you got to say is, oops, I'm sorry. May I ask forgiveness? God?

38:09 And then no, I, I would my forgiveness would be a meat grinder, but and I would have no problem with throwing somebody in chipper. You know, at that point, you know, as long as you can confirm that they were the 1, you know, that's the, that's the. That's. The issue you have now, you know, it seems to be an overwhelming thing. No, that's. We put you in jail for smoking a joint, but hey. California three strike program. That was crazy. We had that for a while where if you get caught with any sort of life, weight of marijuana or any sort of things, it's life in prison. California three strike, my guy.

38:51 Yeah, I remember seeing that. You know, it's funny, as I first discovered that was an issue when me and you were watching Locked Up Raw. Maybe I should have been watching it when I was 11/12. And there's a guy playing guitar and he's really good at guitar. He's like, this is the only thing that I have. I got caught with one ounce of marijuana three times in 82. I think it was 92. It was like 10 years apart. It was crazy. And then like right before 2004, which is I think when they overturned it or something, or maybe it was 2008 when they overturned it. And he's like, I have been in prison for I, I think it was like 20. I don't know, something at that point. He's like a decade, over a decade at this point, or 3 ounces of marijuana. And I'm like, that's crazy. And the weirdest thing is when we decriminalized it, we didn't release those people that had been arrested for life in prison. Why wouldn't you?

39:35 I I don't understand that. Well, it's 'cause they make the state money, that's what they do, right? I I hate that we should talk more. We did the prisons once. $1000 a person, yeah. It bothers me so much that and then their labor is free, you know, in some states. California's a low pay state which I think it's like $0.10 an hour, but it's like why even pay them at that point? I don't really understand. Exactly. That's silly. In Louisiana it's $0.02. So I don't understand what are you going to save up for what? Well, I guess commissary if you think about that. But I don't even know what prison commissary is like. I think it's overtly expensive if I. Remember. Really. Yeah. Same with the phone calls. You have to pay for phone calls coming in and going out. Commissary should be illegal as hell. I don't understand that.

40:21 Yeah, that's crazy. Makes no sense. Well, what are we out of here for? Time. Oh, we're at 57. There we go. All right, well, thank you guys for listening as always, recordmyfather.com and go watch Facebook, Instagram. We now have all the socials. It's crazy. TikTok. We have TikTok. Now go look at the TikTok. Ethics, man. Do we have something else? I don't know, Go go look at this all platforms. Now we need more. We need more ethics. Very thankful for the social media team that has been running our ship. Thank you guys. All right, bye. Bye. Bye.