Dec. 13, 2022
Travel
On this weeks episode we talk about my dad's early adventures as a teenager and young adult. We delve into the times that he was detained in China for cross provinicial traveling and what it was like to openly admit fault to law enforcement. We also touch on each of our Canadian road trip stories and the textures of the world that we experienced in different decades. If you liked this episode dont worry because more parts are on the way!
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Welcome back to another episode
of a record of my father.
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Today we're going to be talking
about our travel experiences and
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places.
We've been place.
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Maybe we want to go and I was
another thing.
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I want to talk about is your
travel experiences from what
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your kid vs.
Now, and all the places you
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imagine you go, then maybe now
see how that's changed.
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And yeah, Wow, I think about
travel, well, all my travel
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experiences, a kid were probably
more on foot and they're within
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a radius of the House of about
up to.
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I mean, we were we were given
some pretty loose rains.
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So as far as you can walk.
Yeah.
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And a half a day and that's
pretty far away.
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We could go away from home.
When I was five six, you know,
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we would just go out we We
stayed and we would go to a park
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every year.
I remember that hungry mother
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state park.
That's where we go every year,
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whereas ever je, yes in
Virginia.
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And like Southwest Virginia camp
out.
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It was like, if I remember
correctly, you could rent a
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cabin for a week for like 65
bucks.
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Wow, his real cheap and it was
like a two bedroom or something
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like that and, you know, so it
was, you know, it was something
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that you could economically do
for a whole week.
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I mean, it wasn't like the beach
because we couldn't.
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Ford running a beach house or
anything like that, but my mom
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would do this and we started
doing this in the late 60s and
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we would drive down there, and
that was the vacation.
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And that was the travel or
occasionally on the way we visit
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relatives and we'd stay at one
of their houses down that way,
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but that was it.
There wasn't.
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I don't remember traveling
anywhere until I met hitchhiked
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amount.
I hitchhiked to Florida when I
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was 18 in C2, right, 19, yet,
Tennessee, or Tallahassee to his
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liking.
What I hitchhiked back and forth
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to school every day.
I hitch like to Florida with a
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buddy, we hitchhike to Florida
in where the order Boca Raton is
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where we got dropped off the
first, right?
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We got one ride.
Oh, look at him back from d.c.
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to Florida.
I remember we were out there.
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It's too, you know, big guys.
And people stopped pick us up
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and then sort.
An 82 dip.
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And You know, we we got this guy
in a big Oldsmobile, that was
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driving a car down to his
brothers and we hopped in the
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back and he said, he'd get us as
far as you know.
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He's going to stop South
Carolina or North Carolina or
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something like that.
But then he ended up saying,
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hey, do you guys want to take
over and he let the Buddy as
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with drive and we drove all the
way to Boca Raton, Florida.
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And that's where that's where we
came across the bus stops that
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were, they had, they had a In
1982.
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They had a colored bus stop and
he had a whites only 82.
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Yes.
So when I hear about this, so it
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all went away is like, no, not
at all.
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And that's it for today.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Florida was just huge
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segregation, very different.
And of course, we sat in the we
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were when we, we were with the
colored bus stop, because that's
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where we went, because we
thought we were like, this is
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weird.
Yeah, you know, and also we had,
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we had a two-gallon jug of vodka
and bitter lemon that we drank
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the whole way down.
So we're really hammering, you
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know, and he was driving, and
it's 8:00 in the morning to, so
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it added to the, just a spark of
it.
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Also, you left it in 12 hours,
prior to that, right?
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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It was, it was, it was pretty
wild to get there that quick.
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We were eight o'clock.
One morning, we were out
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hitchhiking in d.c. just outside
of DC and Woodbridge, Virginia.
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And we got to ride and it took
us all the way.
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A to Boca Raton and I remember
coming in around 7:00 a.m.
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there.
Yeah.
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So it's about a 20 hour ride.
Well, that's fourteen, sixteen
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eighteen twenty something like
that.
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How do you back we ended up
hitchhiking up through
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Tallahassee.
Had a relative that live there
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that across the state over
Jacksonville and then we hopped
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a train and we took a train all
the way back to DC.
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Did you get a ticket or did you
just jump on the train?
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Yeah, we got to take it.
I gotta take it when I played
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poker the whole time.
Coming at Tonk as I would
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remember what it was.
I didn't.
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How to play it, but I've heard
of this some silly card game
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that we played for 10 hours for
nickels and dimes and stuff.
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Yeah, an hour 13 or 20, it was
some incredible amount of time.
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It was, there's a lot longer on
the train than it was
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hitchhiking, which is kind of
weird.
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That is that?
No, I mean, no.
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I mean, I think about like I'm
trying to remember, you know,
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most of my very, very little
like road trips to go anywhere.
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All this kind of, I never went
to Canada all that.
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Till I graduated college and I
didn't graduate college.
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Until I was 20 almost 25.
He just just shy of 2524 in a
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bunch.
Where did you go in Canada?
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When did I go to Canada?
I went to Canada.
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Well, I don't know where I went
to Canada when I was right out
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of college roommate and I said,
went on a road trip, drove to
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Canada.
And camped out up there where
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you know it's hard to remember
because we were just totally
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smashed the whole time.
We went up there and we we
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brought our weed along.
And remember if it was liking,
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this is the olden day.
We this is not this current
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stuff that you lunatic Ontario,
like maybe, I don't know what we
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went through.
We went across to where Niagara
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Falls was.
So it like, that's wrong, it's
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all your fault for the first
time, okay?
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And then we went into Canada and
we You know, it was in the
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French part.
So as Montreal, you know, so
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it's up there.
Yeah, I remember going to get
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firewood and speaking to
somebody and they go 50 and I
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make that joke to this day and
you're like, what the hell is
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that?
It's like we went into this
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little hole-in-the-wall place.
We were trying to find firewood
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so we could we were on this
beautiful Lake in the middle of
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nowhere and it was like two
dollars a night to stay there
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and we pitched a tent and we
just partied for days and we
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fished and all that kind of
stuff and hiked and then
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traveled around there and most
Mostly just got obliterated and
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started big fires on on on a
lake.
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Sounds like it was a trip.
I just took home their Dreadful,
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Albert all the way to Montreal.
Yeah, I was Far, gosh a little
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more expensive and you know,
it's funny those camping is what
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is it?
Now, it's like $50 for slip for
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only three days, or something
like that.
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Wow.
Now instead of 24, what was it
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the week?
There was a two dollar today.
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I think it might have been two
hours a day.
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We thought really, that's
ridiculous.
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It's just a little bit of dirt
will just sneak it, you know,
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it's kind of what I think about
now, too.
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Is the place that I stayed in
Alberta to was all just are
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things like picture on town.
There's No cabin or anything.
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And I'm like, you try to me that
much and that was even there.
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Stay on the field.
There's nobody there at all and
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there's like, multiple, I don't
know, like campsites.
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So you're thinking like your
painting, you're asking me this
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much for I don't know, just do
piece of dirt, the nobody's
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there.
I think about camping
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experiences.
We when we were in China, when I
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was walking the wall, we would
go the walls.
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Unlike the top of the mountains
and stuff like that you would,
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but you would go down into The
Valleys to Camp during the
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night.
And I remember our guides
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everywhere you went in China,
there was there was in, we were
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in the across the Northwestern
provinces Everything had corn,
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everybody, grew some veggies,
some stuff.
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So we came down at night, our
crew would set up the tent and
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what they would do is they would
pay the farmer to cut down a
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section of his Field of Corn.
Oh yeah.
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So we could camp there because
they had no space.
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You would have to you had to
camp in the frickin street
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because there was no, there was
no unused land, they don't use
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pesticides or anything like
that.
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So I can imagine that I don't
have, I wasn't into the form.
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The Chinese farming at that
time.
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They weren't.
I'm so those later.
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They can later, right?
And your retirement that was
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just sort of like that was a
really cool experience because
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we get up in the we get up and
walk around and they have like a
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little tiny Courtyard and almost
every Chinese house, the
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farmer's house.
The remotes were three rooms,
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there was the big room to
welcome you.
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There was the room to the right,
which is the bed in the room,
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the bed and the room to the
left, which was the bathroom
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kitchen.
This is an interesting.
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Combination, and they had a,
like a shower outside.
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And I remember, I got up early,
and I went in there and I went
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into the courtyard, because
that's where they had the well
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to get water.
And they had a the bedroom was
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one window.
One, big giant glass window in
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the curtains were open.
And the whole family was lined
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up on the bed.
You know, there was like, the
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grandfather, the grandmother,
the Sun, the his wife, the
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sister, the sister's husband,
the brother in three kids, all
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in a row.
It was just the oddest thing
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I've ever seen and I was just
like, whoa, they weren't awake
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yet because like really early
which was kind of weird for a
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farming family to still be
asleep and maybe some of them
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were up but not you know that
it's hot as hell.
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It was in it was in the mid 90s
with 90% humidity.
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It was it was jokingly just In
the sky exploded.
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I mean, literally exploded every
night.
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It was just it was very just off
the hook.
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I mean, even the sky exploded, I
remember a had as we had a
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thunderstorm in the thunderstorm
is so loud and the lightening
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was striking.
You would see it striking the
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tops of the mountains around
you.
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This is the humanity.
Yeah and we're in a we're
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sleeping and I like a little
forest and the Chinese
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government.
The that local provincial guy
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came.
I'm with the big fire engine and
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a Paddy Wagon and they were
worried about us because this is
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right before the Chinese hosted,
the Olympics and are shining a
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light on us.
And they're telling us that we
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violated some rule, because we
traveled through three or four
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different provinces and
evidently you're supposed to get
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permission from each individual
Province, to travel from one to
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the other.
And we just hired World
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Expedition at the time and they
They were supposed to take care
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of that evidently they did.
I don't think of it and maybe
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they just lie, you know?
Gave the guy that was in charge
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that had won some money and they
just said, no one ever cares but
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they cared.
And so the next morning, We hot,
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we all break down, all the tents
and everything and we hop in the
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little van that we had and we go
downtown to the Chinese jail for
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thus county seat with all the
gel said, what province or even
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at this point.
It's in the north.
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It's where mounts Emmett.
I was I don't know what province
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that is.
You can, it's easy to look up.
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So you don't know the problems
you are in and you were going to
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be arrested in the province that
yeah, well, they didn't say we
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were arrested but we had to
report the next morning to To
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the jail.
Did you have somebody that spoke
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Chinese?
He spoke Chinese but he couldn't
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read it.
And this is what was ruined.
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So, we'd go there and there's in
this is like, we're in one of
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those stretch Vans or something.
Not like, yeah, lower van, but
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the big tall vanity stand up
that, right?
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And he goes in and he said, I've
talked to the officials and
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they're like that we've and they
want us to sign confessions, and
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there's like, 11 of us in there,
and the conditions are in
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Chinese.
And, and he said, and we're
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like, well, we're like what?
What?
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Because, you know, you pay for a
trip, you go on a trip, you see
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in foreign countries, leave
somewhere and all of a sudden,
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they want you to sign a
confession.
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And if someone says they want
you to sign a confession there's
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a little bit of fear about well
what does it say?
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Yeah he goes well from best.
I can understand which right
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away.
No sane person would sign any of
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that shit.
Yeah but If you don't sign it,
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we can't leave.
So we're standing there.
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We're sitting there on the bus
and everybody's like
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immediately.
Everybody's like hell no, I'm
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not signing nothing.
I'm not signing this.
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I'm not signing this, so, but
I'm like, well, And I asked him,
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that's what I asked.
You know, what would happen if
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we don't sign it because we
don't leave, anybody doesn't
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sign.
It can go, he goes and then
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we'll try to work that out on
what's going to happen, but you
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will be detained here.
And here was this big giant
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building that I'd gone into just
go pee and in come back out and
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this is where I saw the.
I don't know if you have you
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ever heard of it?
It's called an Emmy V.
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And in China, who does that,
it's like a Giant RV and it's a
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mobile execution vehicle.
And it was parked like two cars
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over from us and is just like,
and I looked at it and and
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that's when the guy somebody
made a reference to it.
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I didn't know, I didn't take a
picture or anything because I
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was kind of freaked out by it.
Should have taken a picture.
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And well, I mean, I don't know
what the hell they do for you
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for a loop camping, doing Maria,
I don't know, I mean, maybe I
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didn't want Find out.
So after a lot of balking by
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everybody and when he said well
you're going to be detained and
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people were angry him and they
rightfully so his was like well
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it's not my fault, it's the
expedition's company and blah
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blah blah blah blah you know is
basically passed the buck.
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It's not my fault, it's somebody
else's.
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That's what I didn't matter and
I was like, very quick.
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I'm one of those people who
like, well, okay, how do we, you
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know, blaming him is not going
to change the situation.
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We can scream it.
Anybody want?
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We can stab them?
We could beat them up really
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bad.
Dad, but how many people are on
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the door?
Besides you?
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There's a, like, 11 12 of us, I
do.
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So it was not just like you with
me.
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Seth, Seth, Junior, you know,
little Seth and a bunch of other
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people.
I always thought it was like,
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you, three, and then maybe like
two other people.
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Yeah.
Australia, we had another
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Australian Zealand.
We had an English waiting, which
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couple we had South American
Argentinian.
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This was like enough people to
make a pretty big stir, right?
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Exactly.
But if we all disappeared, no
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one would have known.
Yeah, so did I, we wouldn't have
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known Cher reason that they may
say about it about the
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government is because and the
reasons this guy was doing it
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and saying that disavow any
knowledge that he had been
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signed paid, whatever is because
I guess he hadn't told us
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superiors and if we got hurt
Over there.
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If we were to get hurt right
before this happened, they would
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have just been executed.
Point Blank, That's it.
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Well yeah.
Because it would have been an
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international incident to hurt
an American in China.
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Right before the Olympics.
That wouldn't have happened.
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Yeah, right.
Well.
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So here we were signing
confession, so if something did
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go wrong, their asses were
covered.
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All right, do you think that's
what it was about?
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I, you know, I have no idea what
they were all on paper in there
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in Chinese and you know,
whatever I signed.
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I'm I'm you know, whatever.
I don't know.
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Happy to this day.
You don't have like it come you.
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Nope.
They didn't have a copy.
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You signed it.
They took it.
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Did you ask him?
We really.
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Can I have a copy?
Let him speak Chinese couldn't
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like point out and I'll do some
pointing this was not one of
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those negotiation things you
know.
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Like so if you ever go into a
situation where the other guys
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holding all of the cards.
Yeah, well and he knows it
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that's fair and he's not going
to bend Yeah.
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And they're in a military
uniform and you know, I always
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like to make jokes and poke fun
and all that kind of stuff like
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that.
We're not doing that.
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No, not this was not that time.
I remember you telling Mom the
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story and she was like what what
that happened.
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Yeah, you don't happen.
What was that mean?
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Later in there, when we got back
to Beijing, after we signed
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them, we all signed them.
They took them and we just went
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on about our way and it was this
at the end of the trip.
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Where was this?
This was like a day before the
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end.
But of course, so then we go
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back to Beijing and we're in the
main Square in Tiananmen Square.
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And there's no, there's like a
couple hundred thousand people
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there and this is any given day,
you know, it's a sunny day, it's
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warm outside, it's a summer.
So a lot of Chinese travel to
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Beijing, the Farm Workers, come
to, you know, see the city and
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of course there's you know,
there's there's a smattering of
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Caucasian people.
Us being them.
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And so your, your C of C of
Agents with, you know, maybe a
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couple hundred and they're all
small groups and there's these
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guys that walk around that are
in leisure suits that had.
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They had flip phones.
Then write this down night,
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early 90s or was it mostly 2005
2005.
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They still had flip phones.
Didn't have the little big, the
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phones that you and they were
all taking pictures of us and it
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was so funny.
Yeah, and I was, and I made a
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joke with the guy he goes no
because he said you could
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easily.
They were like people that
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followed you, you know how
people talk about handlers and
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how would you go to a country
that's got me to Station at
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they, the people follow you
around all like, yeah, like
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that, this is one of those
situations and we had multiple
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ones that would come by and take
pictures of each, one of us.
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And I started making jokes
because how easy they were to
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spot because they're the only
people in Tiananmen Square that
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Are by themselves.
No one.
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Is there alone?
Except these guys and all these
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guys wore exactly the same kind
of, they had a powder, blue
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leisure suit.
Yeah, you know, they had the
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light blue one agreement, the
London.
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No, they didn't blend it at all.
They're easy to spot.
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They were just comical, you
know. and, You know, they took
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pictures and I made a ice,
making a joke and then the guy
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goes, no, don't don't they
don't, they don't take it the
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way that we take it.
They don't like you're here,
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they will?
They will pieces.
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I don't, I don't want them to
detain you Because I was kind of
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like, wow, we got away from one.
I'm gonna screw it up and do it
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somewhere else.
You know.
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You would be the one to do.
Yeah, I'm the one with the big
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mouth.
It's always speaking at all that
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kind of stuff like that and
that's just, that's that's that
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was one.
That's like a lot of time that I
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talked about that one story we
have.
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We have so many like that, you
know I mean I think about if not
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I haven't heard that one.
I heard the Mev one.
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Yeah for yeah.
But I think another question.
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So how was your travel plans
changed?
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Over the course of I don't know.
Retiring in being like this
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gung-ho going about climbing
mountains to what do you what do
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you want?
Do you want from travel?
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And I still want to, I still
want to, I mean there was a
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thing.
There's a feeling that you get,
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when you Crest the top of a
mountain.
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It's something that I can't like
it's a combination of the lack
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of oxygen with the
accomplishment.
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I used to just, I don't know.
It's something it's it's a, it's
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a, it's a nice feeling.
Yeah, and a lot and you get that
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in life and you know, not only
from sex but that you get this
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from this is something different
and it is it is Is a?
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At peace moment or something
that you feel like I'm doing
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something that's an
accomplishment like you say, and
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it just for some reason, it just
it's a big thing.
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When I did, I did Mount Whitney
when you and I did Santa Maria
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in Guatemala, that was crazy
when Jim and I did Mount Fuji
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when I did Kilimanjaro with
Jose, that was the last one
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food.
You get Inca Trail and control
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wasn't a mountain.
But it was a trail that was
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remote and it was multiple days
and, you know, we cover Many
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12,000 to two or three
12,000-foot mountains, you go up
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to the top and down.
Anyway, just to name a few or
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that's probably most of them.
Anyway, there's just a sense of
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joy that I get from that and I
look back at that and it's like
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another, you know, and when I,
when I do those kind of things,
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I love to I walk fast and it
kind of Walk Alone.
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And when you're in the, when
you're in the throes of hiking
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and walking, you don't talk
which is highly unusual for me
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because I'm just a ratchet jaw.
Do work fast and alone already.
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You might either here all the
time.
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Yeah.
But I get quiet and I walk and
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then I just that to me is a
great way to become.
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I don't know, one with yourself
or whatever you call it that
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medication.
Yeah, it's kind of like a neat
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way to meditate.
And if it's a long ways like
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you, when he walked 12 hours,
you know, thought I stole Piney
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in South America when it did the
W that was we walked 20 miles in
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a day 19.
I think maybe 19 and it was that
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was the second second finger of
the W or whatever.
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The third.
And I remember coming back we
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went out at 7:00 in the morning
we're coming back at it's like
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5:00, it's almost dark coming
back and you're just literally
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one foot in front of the other.
It's, you're an AutoZone at that
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point and everybody's sort of
stringing along.
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It's a long you know by yourself
or not by yourself and I
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remember coming into camp and
just just a feeling of
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Exhilaration even though
exhaustion exhilaration
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together, I can go to sleep now.
Is that what that was?
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Well yeah, it's probably more
that than anything.
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But there is a certain amount of
endorphins it just get.
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And it's and it's not like
amphetamines.
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It's more like happiness that
just sort of hits for me.
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I don't know.
This works for everybody with
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that works for me.
It kind of happens with travel
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to, for me, that's my thing.
When I feel like and, you know,
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my wife knows it, she knows it
when I don't travel for a little
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while, I start getting antsy and
I'm like, you know, anyone says,
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Hey and all of a sudden I want
to go to the store Nine times a
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day.
I think it's funny though.
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You've been all these places and
yet, you haven't even driven
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across this country, which is
really funny to madinah.
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Yeah, I'm just, just having done
that.
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I mean up, I think I've hit a
few of the places and I've new
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flow.
Loan me.
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Oh my gosh, but it's completely
different.
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Oh, really agree to to to Mark
the trail, by by car, or by
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foot, or by train is much
different than flight.
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Just, I've been up and down the
East Coast. up and you know,
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from here in New York for ten
years week every other week, you
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know, a lot and Down to Florida
maybe a lot driving in the early
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years my brother moved Florida.
So I visit there a lot but out
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west.
No not at all.
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You know, flu too shy flat by
flown to Chicago.
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Maybe 10 times 15, 20,
California, maybe 50, Seattle,
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New Mexico visited their drove
around the Midwest.
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Did that drove across the
Midwest and Wyoming with you and
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the yeah.
Yeah, horrible South Dakota.
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North Dakota Wyoming.
Yeah, Montana.
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Yep.
And it's Rushmore.
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We saw that Grant.
Do we see Grand Canyon?
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No.
Now you and, I went to the bomb
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aggrandizement, another
downstair Havasu Falls.
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We hiked to the Bottom camp
there for for three or four
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days, and then came back.
It was one of the best things.
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We've ever done.
Not on the way down, but on the
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way back, right?
Yeah, we're back those hands.
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I remember the end of the first
day you were unhappy because it
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was 160, reasoning 707.
Yeah, that's what I had on.
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Exactly 107.
And I have two or nine or eight
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forty-five miles and I'm just it
wasn't 45.
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It was only ten.
It was sealed away.
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I was like we went about halfway
there and we took off our
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clothes and hopped into the cold
the little stream.
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The bat that was at the end.
No, not till the very end.
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Did we get into?
There's another stream?
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But Midway in, there was a
little pool that we stopped to
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rest and eat lunch at.
And we finished at the end of
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the, well, there wasn't water up
there because it was a, it was a
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prize, really, I think you're
making that up.
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So thank you both will shit.
But is the thing is I found
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that.
If you sound convincing you have
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a deep voice everybody.
Please sit, right?
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Yeah.
Yeah, no, but I don't remember
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that.
I remember eating a sandwich on
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the side or that guy can't
remember what they sat member
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people to go off their shoes
because there's a little,
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there's a, there was a a spring.
It was running and I do remember
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that spring.
They're actually fed the one
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further down the water was so
blue.
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Yeah, it was super blue, super
clean and super cold.
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And but it really wasn't that
cold.
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It's just that it was pretty
cool.
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When it's 100 degree temperature
out.
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You jump in water that's 80.
You're like wow it's freezing.
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You know when in fact it's not
it's also going to mean.
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Sean went to Alberta.
Oh my God.
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That water was free.
It was glacier water.
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Hmm.
And like just we were early hour
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to go swimming when we get
there.
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No I'm not you're not you're not
doing that.
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You're not doing that because
it's like 40 degrees.
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You did that, it's got 10
seconds.
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What was that?
Aw, the Loch Ness monster was
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did you go in the water
actually?
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Move all the way?
No, hell no, I took off my shoe
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and put it on my foot in there
and because I wanted to say all
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I went swimming with the Loch
Ness but it really didn't.
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I just went down there and Busca
took a picture of me you know
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with my foot in the water and
seeing he's swimming.
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This is same thing with Lake
Yellowstone.
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We went there and that was just
like that was so cold.
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The yeah, let's go swimming.
It's like 18. 90 degrees outside
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and now you're not gonna swim in
there.
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It's crazy.
Well it's absurd.
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Well, we've covered a little bit
of traveling, just a visitor on
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more to very little bit.
So what I, what I would suggest
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is we wind this up, okay, we
talk about what do we, what do
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we hit a little bit about China?
We hit we just touched a little
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bit on hiking and what the
feeling is that when you get to
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the end, the bus tour from hell
when we talk about, we didn't
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talk about the bus to work.
How we haven't, there's a whole
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so many stories that we haven't
talked.
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What I want to do is we should
probably do this in like three
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stages or I like that idea.
So at this point, ladies and
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gentlemen, what we're going to
do is we're going to call this
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travel part 1.
Yeah.
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Sounds good.
And we can throw in what we
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talked.
And then next time we'll talk
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about travel part to travel part
3 and we and I guess we could
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just do as many different ones
as you want to do.
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Yeah.
Until he is.
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Well, I've never you wake up.
I want to do is going to be the
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number of episodes that it
takes.
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I think this is a big Thing.
Because been a huge part of your
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life and my life.
Yeah.
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And so, at this point, I just
want to say thank you for
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listening and we'll look forward
to having you, listen to our
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next travels.
And and look at the Instagram, a
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record of my father podcast and
find us on a record of my
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party on
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Welcome back to another episode
of a record of my father.
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Today we're going to be talking
about our travel experiences and
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places.
We've been place.
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Maybe we want to go and I was
another thing.
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I want to talk about is your
travel experiences from what
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your kid vs.
Now, and all the places you
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imagine you go, then maybe now
see how that's changed.
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And yeah, Wow, I think about
travel, well, all my travel
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experiences, a kid were probably
more on foot and they're within
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a radius of the House of about
up to.
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I mean, we were we were given
some pretty loose rains.
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So as far as you can walk.
Yeah.
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And a half a day and that's
pretty far away.
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We could go away from home.
When I was five six, you know,
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we would just go out we We
stayed and we would go to a park
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every year.
I remember that hungry mother
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state park.
That's where we go every year,
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whereas ever je, yes in
Virginia.
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And like Southwest Virginia camp
out.
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It was like, if I remember
correctly, you could rent a
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cabin for a week for like 65
bucks.
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Wow, his real cheap and it was
like a two bedroom or something
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like that and, you know, so it
was, you know, it was something
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that you could economically do
for a whole week.
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I mean, it wasn't like the beach
because we couldn't.
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Ford running a beach house or
anything like that, but my mom
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would do this and we started
doing this in the late 60s and
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we would drive down there, and
that was the vacation.
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And that was the travel or
occasionally on the way we visit
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relatives and we'd stay at one
of their houses down that way,
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but that was it.
There wasn't.
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I don't remember traveling
anywhere until I met hitchhiked
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amount.
I hitchhiked to Florida when I
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was 18 in C2, right, 19, yet,
Tennessee, or Tallahassee to his
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liking.
What I hitchhiked back and forth
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to school every day.
I hitch like to Florida with a
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buddy, we hitchhike to Florida
in where the order Boca Raton is
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where we got dropped off the
first, right?
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We got one ride.
Oh, look at him back from d.c.
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to Florida.
I remember we were out there.
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It's too, you know, big guys.
And people stopped pick us up
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and then sort.
An 82 dip.
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And You know, we we got this guy
in a big Oldsmobile, that was
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driving a car down to his
brothers and we hopped in the
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back and he said, he'd get us as
far as you know.
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He's going to stop South
Carolina or North Carolina or
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something like that.
But then he ended up saying,
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hey, do you guys want to take
over and he let the Buddy as
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with drive and we drove all the
way to Boca Raton, Florida.
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And that's where that's where we
came across the bus stops that
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were, they had, they had a In
1982.
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They had a colored bus stop and
he had a whites only 82.
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Yes.
So when I hear about this, so it
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all went away is like, no, not
at all.
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And that's it for today.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Florida was just huge
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segregation, very different.
And of course, we sat in the we
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were when we, we were with the
colored bus stop, because that's
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where we went, because we
thought we were like, this is
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weird.
Yeah, you know, and also we had,
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we had a two-gallon jug of vodka
and bitter lemon that we drank
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the whole way down.
So we're really hammering, you
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know, and he was driving, and
it's 8:00 in the morning to, so
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it added to the, just a spark of
it.
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Also, you left it in 12 hours,
prior to that, right?
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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It was, it was, it was pretty
wild to get there that quick.
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We were eight o'clock.
One morning, we were out
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hitchhiking in d.c. just outside
of DC and Woodbridge, Virginia.
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And we got to ride and it took
us all the way.
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A to Boca Raton and I remember
coming in around 7:00 a.m.
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there.
Yeah.
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So it's about a 20 hour ride.
Well, that's fourteen, sixteen
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eighteen twenty something like
that.
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How do you back we ended up
hitchhiking up through
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Tallahassee.
Had a relative that live there
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that across the state over
Jacksonville and then we hopped
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a train and we took a train all
the way back to DC.
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Did you get a ticket or did you
just jump on the train?
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Yeah, we got to take it.
I gotta take it when I played
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poker the whole time.
Coming at Tonk as I would
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remember what it was.
I didn't.
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How to play it, but I've heard
of this some silly card game
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that we played for 10 hours for
nickels and dimes and stuff.
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Yeah, an hour 13 or 20, it was
some incredible amount of time.
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It was, there's a lot longer on
the train than it was
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hitchhiking, which is kind of
weird.
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That is that?
No, I mean, no.
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I mean, I think about like I'm
trying to remember, you know,
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most of my very, very little
like road trips to go anywhere.
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All this kind of, I never went
to Canada all that.
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Till I graduated college and I
didn't graduate college.
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Until I was 20 almost 25.
He just just shy of 2524 in a
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bunch.
Where did you go in Canada?
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When did I go to Canada?
I went to Canada.
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Well, I don't know where I went
to Canada when I was right out
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of college roommate and I said,
went on a road trip, drove to
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Canada.
And camped out up there where
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you know it's hard to remember
because we were just totally
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smashed the whole time.
We went up there and we we
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brought our weed along.
And remember if it was liking,
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this is the olden day.
We this is not this current
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stuff that you lunatic Ontario,
like maybe, I don't know what we
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went through.
We went across to where Niagara
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Falls was.
So it like, that's wrong, it's
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all your fault for the first
time, okay?
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And then we went into Canada and
we You know, it was in the
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French part.
So as Montreal, you know, so
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it's up there.
Yeah, I remember going to get
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firewood and speaking to
somebody and they go 50 and I
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make that joke to this day and
you're like, what the hell is
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that?
It's like we went into this
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little hole-in-the-wall place.
We were trying to find firewood
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so we could we were on this
beautiful Lake in the middle of
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nowhere and it was like two
dollars a night to stay there
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and we pitched a tent and we
just partied for days and we
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fished and all that kind of
stuff and hiked and then
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traveled around there and most
Mostly just got obliterated and
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started big fires on on on a
lake.
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Sounds like it was a trip.
I just took home their Dreadful,
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Albert all the way to Montreal.
Yeah, I was Far, gosh a little
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more expensive and you know,
it's funny those camping is what
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is it?
Now, it's like $50 for slip for
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only three days, or something
like that.
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Wow.
Now instead of 24, what was it
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the week?
There was a two dollar today.
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I think it might have been two
hours a day.
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We thought really, that's
ridiculous.
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It's just a little bit of dirt
will just sneak it, you know,
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it's kind of what I think about
now, too.
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Is the place that I stayed in
Alberta to was all just are
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things like picture on town.
There's No cabin or anything.
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And I'm like, you try to me that
much and that was even there.
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Stay on the field.
There's nobody there at all and
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there's like, multiple, I don't
know, like campsites.
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So you're thinking like your
painting, you're asking me this
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much for I don't know, just do
piece of dirt, the nobody's
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there.
I think about camping
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experiences.
We when we were in China, when I
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was walking the wall, we would
go the walls.
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Unlike the top of the mountains
and stuff like that you would,
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but you would go down into The
Valleys to Camp during the
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night.
And I remember our guides
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everywhere you went in China,
there was there was in, we were
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in the across the Northwestern
provinces Everything had corn,
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everybody, grew some veggies,
some stuff.
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So we came down at night, our
crew would set up the tent and
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what they would do is they would
pay the farmer to cut down a
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section of his Field of Corn.
Oh yeah.
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So we could camp there because
they had no space.
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You would have to you had to
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because there was no, there was
no unused land, they don't use
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pesticides or anything like
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So I can imagine that I don't
have, I wasn't into the form.
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The Chinese farming at that
time.
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They weren't.
I'm so those later.
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They can later, right?
And your retirement that was
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just sort of like that was a
really cool experience because
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we get up in the we get up and
walk around and they have like a
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little tiny Courtyard and almost
every Chinese house, the
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farmer's house.
The remotes were three rooms,
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there was the big room to
welcome you.
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There was the room to the right,
which is the bed in the room,
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the bed and the room to the
left, which was the bathroom
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kitchen.
This is an interesting.
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Combination, and they had a,
like a shower outside.
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And I remember, I got up early,
and I went in there and I went
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into the courtyard, because
that's where they had the well
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to get water.
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one window.
One, big giant glass window in
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the curtains were open.
And the whole family was lined
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up on the bed.
You know, there was like, the
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grandfather, the grandmother,
the Sun, the his wife, the
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sister, the sister's husband,
the brother in three kids, all
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in a row.
It was just the oddest thing
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I've ever seen and I was just
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yet because like really early
which was kind of weird for a
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farming family to still be
asleep and maybe some of them
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were up but not you know that
it's hot as hell.
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It was in it was in the mid 90s
with 90% humidity.
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It was it was jokingly just In
the sky exploded.
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I mean, literally exploded every
night.
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It was just it was very just off
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I mean, even the sky exploded, I
remember a had as we had a
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thunderstorm in the thunderstorm
is so loud and the lightening
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was striking.
You would see it striking the
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tops of the mountains around
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This is the humanity.
Yeah and we're in a we're
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sleeping and I like a little
forest and the Chinese
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government.
The that local provincial guy
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came.
I'm with the big fire engine and
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a Paddy Wagon and they were
worried about us because this is
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right before the Chinese hosted,
the Olympics and are shining a
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light on us.
And they're telling us that we
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violated some rule, because we
traveled through three or four
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different provinces and
evidently you're supposed to get
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permission from each individual
Province, to travel from one to
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the other.
And we just hired World
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Expedition at the time and they
They were supposed to take care
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of that evidently they did.
I don't think of it and maybe
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they just lie, you know?
Gave the guy that was in charge
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that had won some money and they
just said, no one ever cares but
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they cared.
And so the next morning, We hot,
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we all break down, all the tents
and everything and we hop in the
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little van that we had and we go
downtown to the Chinese jail for
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thus county seat with all the
gel said, what province or even
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at this point.
It's in the north.
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It's where mounts Emmett.
I was I don't know what province
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that is.
You can, it's easy to look up.
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So you don't know the problems
you are in and you were going to
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be arrested in the province that
yeah, well, they didn't say we
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were arrested but we had to
report the next morning to To
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the jail.
Did you have somebody that spoke
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Chinese?
He spoke Chinese but he couldn't
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read it.
And this is what was ruined.
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So, we'd go there and there's in
this is like, we're in one of
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those stretch Vans or something.
Not like, yeah, lower van, but
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the big tall vanity stand up
that, right?
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And he goes in and he said, I've
talked to the officials and
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they're like that we've and they
want us to sign confessions, and
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there's like, 11 of us in there,
and the conditions are in
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Chinese.
And, and he said, and we're
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like, well, we're like what?
What?
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Because, you know, you pay for a
trip, you go on a trip, you see
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in foreign countries, leave
somewhere and all of a sudden,
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they want you to sign a
confession.
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And if someone says they want
you to sign a confession there's
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a little bit of fear about well
what does it say?
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Yeah he goes well from best.
I can understand which right
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away.
No sane person would sign any of
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that shit.
Yeah but If you don't sign it,
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we can't leave.
So we're standing there.
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We're sitting there on the bus
and everybody's like
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immediately.
Everybody's like hell no, I'm
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not signing nothing.
I'm not signing this.
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I'm not signing this, so, but
I'm like, well, And I asked him,
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that's what I asked.
You know, what would happen if
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we don't sign it because we
don't leave, anybody doesn't
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sign.
It can go, he goes and then
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we'll try to work that out on
what's going to happen, but you
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will be detained here.
And here was this big giant
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building that I'd gone into just
go pee and in come back out and
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this is where I saw the.
I don't know if you have you
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ever heard of it?
It's called an Emmy V.
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And in China, who does that,
it's like a Giant RV and it's a
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mobile execution vehicle.
And it was parked like two cars
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over from us and is just like,
and I looked at it and and
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that's when the guy somebody
made a reference to it.
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I didn't know, I didn't take a
picture or anything because I
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was kind of freaked out by it.
Should have taken a picture.
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And well, I mean, I don't know
what the hell they do for you
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for a loop camping, doing Maria,
I don't know, I mean, maybe I
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didn't want Find out.
So after a lot of balking by
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everybody and when he said well
you're going to be detained and
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people were angry him and they
rightfully so his was like well
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it's not my fault, it's the
expedition's company and blah
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blah blah blah blah you know is
basically passed the buck.
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It's not my fault, it's somebody
else's.
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That's what I didn't matter and
I was like, very quick.
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I'm one of those people who
like, well, okay, how do we, you
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know, blaming him is not going
to change the situation.
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We can scream it.
Anybody want?
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We can stab them?
We could beat them up really
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bad.
Dad, but how many people are on
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the door?
Besides you?
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There's a, like, 11 12 of us, I
do.
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So it was not just like you with
me.
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Seth, Seth, Junior, you know,
little Seth and a bunch of other
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people.
I always thought it was like,
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you, three, and then maybe like
two other people.
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Yeah.
Australia, we had another
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Australian Zealand.
We had an English waiting, which
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couple we had South American
Argentinian.
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This was like enough people to
make a pretty big stir, right?
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Exactly.
But if we all disappeared, no
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one would have known.
Yeah, so did I, we wouldn't have
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known Cher reason that they may
say about it about the
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government is because and the
reasons this guy was doing it
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and saying that disavow any
knowledge that he had been
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signed paid, whatever is because
I guess he hadn't told us
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superiors and if we got hurt
Over there.
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If we were to get hurt right
before this happened, they would
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have just been executed.
Point Blank, That's it.
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Well yeah.
Because it would have been an
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international incident to hurt
an American in China.
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Right before the Olympics.
That wouldn't have happened.
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Yeah, right.
Well.
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So here we were signing
confession, so if something did
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go wrong, their asses were
covered.
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All right, do you think that's
what it was about?
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I, you know, I have no idea what
they were all on paper in there
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in Chinese and you know,
whatever I signed.
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I'm I'm you know, whatever.
I don't know.
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Happy to this day.
You don't have like it come you.
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Nope.
They didn't have a copy.
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You signed it.
They took it.
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Did you ask him?
We really.
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Can I have a copy?
Let him speak Chinese couldn't
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like point out and I'll do some
pointing this was not one of
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those negotiation things you
know.
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Like so if you ever go into a
situation where the other guys
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holding all of the cards.
Yeah, well and he knows it
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that's fair and he's not going
to bend Yeah.
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And they're in a military
uniform and you know, I always
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like to make jokes and poke fun
and all that kind of stuff like
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that.
We're not doing that.
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No, not this was not that time.
I remember you telling Mom the
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story and she was like what what
that happened.
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Yeah, you don't happen.
What was that mean?
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Later in there, when we got back
to Beijing, after we signed
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them, we all signed them.
They took them and we just went
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on about our way and it was this
at the end of the trip.
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Where was this?
This was like a day before the
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end.
But of course, so then we go
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back to Beijing and we're in the
main Square in Tiananmen Square.
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And there's no, there's like a
couple hundred thousand people
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there and this is any given day,
you know, it's a sunny day, it's
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warm outside, it's a summer.
So a lot of Chinese travel to
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Beijing, the Farm Workers, come
to, you know, see the city and
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of course there's you know,
there's there's a smattering of
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Caucasian people.
Us being them.
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And so your, your C of C of
Agents with, you know, maybe a
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couple hundred and they're all
small groups and there's these
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guys that walk around that are
in leisure suits that had.
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They had flip phones.
Then write this down night,
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early 90s or was it mostly 2005
2005.
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They still had flip phones.
Didn't have the little big, the
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phones that you and they were
all taking pictures of us and it
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was so funny.
Yeah, and I was, and I made a
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joke with the guy he goes no
because he said you could
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easily.
They were like people that
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followed you, you know how
people talk about handlers and
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how would you go to a country
that's got me to Station at
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they, the people follow you
around all like, yeah, like
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that, this is one of those
situations and we had multiple
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ones that would come by and take
pictures of each, one of us.
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And I started making jokes
because how easy they were to
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spot because they're the only
people in Tiananmen Square that
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Are by themselves.
No one.
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Is there alone?
Except these guys and all these
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guys wore exactly the same kind
of, they had a powder, blue
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leisure suit.
Yeah, you know, they had the
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light blue one agreement, the
London.
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No, they didn't blend it at all.
They're easy to spot.
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They were just comical, you
know. and, You know, they took
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pictures and I made a ice,
making a joke and then the guy
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goes, no, don't don't they
don't, they don't take it the
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way that we take it.
They don't like you're here,
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they will?
They will pieces.
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I don't, I don't want them to
detain you Because I was kind of
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like, wow, we got away from one.
I'm gonna screw it up and do it
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somewhere else.
You know.
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You would be the one to do.
Yeah, I'm the one with the big
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mouth.
It's always speaking at all that
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kind of stuff like that and
that's just, that's that's that
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was one.
That's like a lot of time that I
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talked about that one story we
have.
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We have so many like that, you
know I mean I think about if not
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I haven't heard that one.
I heard the Mev one.
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Yeah for yeah.
But I think another question.
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So how was your travel plans
changed?
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Over the course of I don't know.
Retiring in being like this
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gung-ho going about climbing
mountains to what do you what do
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you want?
Do you want from travel?
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And I still want to, I still
want to, I mean there was a
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thing.
There's a feeling that you get,
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when you Crest the top of a
mountain.
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It's something that I can't like
it's a combination of the lack
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of oxygen with the
accomplishment.
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I used to just, I don't know.
It's something it's it's a, it's
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a, it's a nice feeling.
Yeah, and a lot and you get that
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in life and you know, not only
from sex but that you get this
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from this is something different
and it is it is Is a?
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At peace moment or something
that you feel like I'm doing
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something that's an
accomplishment like you say, and
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it just for some reason, it just
it's a big thing.
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When I did, I did Mount Whitney
when you and I did Santa Maria
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in Guatemala, that was crazy
when Jim and I did Mount Fuji
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when I did Kilimanjaro with
Jose, that was the last one
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food.
You get Inca Trail and control
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wasn't a mountain.
But it was a trail that was
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remote and it was multiple days
and, you know, we cover Many
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12,000 to two or three
12,000-foot mountains, you go up
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to the top and down.
Anyway, just to name a few or
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that's probably most of them.
Anyway, there's just a sense of
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joy that I get from that and I
look back at that and it's like
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another, you know, and when I,
when I do those kind of things,
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I love to I walk fast and it
kind of Walk Alone.
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And when you're in the, when
you're in the throes of hiking
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and walking, you don't talk
which is highly unusual for me
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because I'm just a ratchet jaw.
Do work fast and alone already.
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You might either here all the
time.
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Yeah.
But I get quiet and I walk and
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then I just that to me is a
great way to become.
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I don't know, one with yourself
or whatever you call it that
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medication.
Yeah, it's kind of like a neat
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way to meditate.
And if it's a long ways like
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you, when he walked 12 hours,
you know, thought I stole Piney
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in South America when it did the
W that was we walked 20 miles in
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a day 19.
I think maybe 19 and it was that
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was the second second finger of
the W or whatever.
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The third.
And I remember coming back we
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went out at 7:00 in the morning
we're coming back at it's like
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5:00, it's almost dark coming
back and you're just literally
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one foot in front of the other.
It's, you're an AutoZone at that
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point and everybody's sort of
stringing along.
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It's a long you know by yourself
or not by yourself and I
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remember coming into camp and
just just a feeling of
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Exhilaration even though
exhaustion exhilaration
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together, I can go to sleep now.
Is that what that was?
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Well yeah, it's probably more
that than anything.
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But there is a certain amount of
endorphins it just get.
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And it's and it's not like
amphetamines.
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It's more like happiness that
just sort of hits for me.
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I don't know.
This works for everybody with
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that works for me.
It kind of happens with travel
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to, for me, that's my thing.
When I feel like and, you know,
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my wife knows it, she knows it
when I don't travel for a little
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while, I start getting antsy and
I'm like, you know, anyone says,
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Hey and all of a sudden I want
to go to the store Nine times a
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day.
I think it's funny though.
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You've been all these places and
yet, you haven't even driven
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across this country, which is
really funny to madinah.
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Yeah, I'm just, just having done
that.
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I mean up, I think I've hit a
few of the places and I've new
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flow.
Loan me.
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Oh my gosh, but it's completely
different.
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Oh, really agree to to to Mark
the trail, by by car, or by
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foot, or by train is much
different than flight.
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Just, I've been up and down the
East Coast. up and you know,
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from here in New York for ten
years week every other week, you
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know, a lot and Down to Florida
maybe a lot driving in the early
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years my brother moved Florida.
So I visit there a lot but out
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west.
No not at all.
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You know, flu too shy flat by
flown to Chicago.
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Maybe 10 times 15, 20,
California, maybe 50, Seattle,
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New Mexico visited their drove
around the Midwest.
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Did that drove across the
Midwest and Wyoming with you and
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the yeah.
Yeah, horrible South Dakota.
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North Dakota Wyoming.
Yeah, Montana.
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Yep.
And it's Rushmore.
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We saw that Grant.
Do we see Grand Canyon?
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No.
Now you and, I went to the bomb
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aggrandizement, another
downstair Havasu Falls.
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We hiked to the Bottom camp
there for for three or four
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days, and then came back.
It was one of the best things.
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We've ever done.
Not on the way down, but on the
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way back, right?
Yeah, we're back those hands.
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I remember the end of the first
day you were unhappy because it
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was 160, reasoning 707.
Yeah, that's what I had on.
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Exactly 107.
And I have two or nine or eight
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forty-five miles and I'm just it
wasn't 45.
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It was only ten.
It was sealed away.
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I was like we went about halfway
there and we took off our
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clothes and hopped into the cold
the little stream.
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The bat that was at the end.
No, not till the very end.
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Did we get into?
There's another stream?
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But Midway in, there was a
little pool that we stopped to
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rest and eat lunch at.
And we finished at the end of
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the, well, there wasn't water up
there because it was a, it was a
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prize, really, I think you're
making that up.
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So thank you both will shit.
But is the thing is I found
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that.
If you sound convincing you have
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a deep voice everybody.
Please sit, right?
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Yeah.
Yeah, no, but I don't remember
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that.
I remember eating a sandwich on
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the side or that guy can't
remember what they sat member
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people to go off their shoes
because there's a little,
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there's a, there was a a spring.
It was running and I do remember
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that spring.
They're actually fed the one
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further down the water was so
blue.
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Yeah, it was super blue, super
clean and super cold.
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And but it really wasn't that
cold.
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It's just that it was pretty
cool.
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When it's 100 degree temperature
out.
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You jump in water that's 80.
You're like wow it's freezing.
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You know when in fact it's not
it's also going to mean.
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Sean went to Alberta.
Oh my God.
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That water was free.
It was glacier water.
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Hmm.
And like just we were early hour
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to go swimming when we get
there.
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No I'm not you're not you're not
doing that.
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You're not doing that because
it's like 40 degrees.
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You did that, it's got 10
seconds.
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What was that?
Aw, the Loch Ness monster was
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did you go in the water
actually?
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Move all the way?
No, hell no, I took off my shoe
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and put it on my foot in there
and because I wanted to say all
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I went swimming with the Loch
Ness but it really didn't.
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I just went down there and Busca
took a picture of me you know
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with my foot in the water and
seeing he's swimming.
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This is same thing with Lake
Yellowstone.
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We went there and that was just
like that was so cold.
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The yeah, let's go swimming.
It's like 18. 90 degrees outside
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and now you're not gonna swim in
there.
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It's crazy.
Well it's absurd.
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Well, we've covered a little bit
of traveling, just a visitor on
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more to very little bit.
So what I, what I would suggest
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is we wind this up, okay, we
talk about what do we, what do
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we hit a little bit about China?
We hit we just touched a little
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bit on hiking and what the
feeling is that when you get to
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the end, the bus tour from hell
when we talk about, we didn't
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talk about the bus to work.
How we haven't, there's a whole
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00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,800
so many stories that we haven't
talked.
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What I want to do is we should
probably do this in like three
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stages or I like that idea.
So at this point, ladies and
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gentlemen, what we're going to
do is we're going to call this
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travel part 1.
Yeah.
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Sounds good.
And we can throw in what we
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talked.
And then next time we'll talk
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about travel part to travel part
3 and we and I guess we could
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just do as many different ones
as you want to do.
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Yeah.
Until he is.
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Well, I've never you wake up.
I want to do is going to be the
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number of episodes that it
takes.
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I think this is a big Thing.
Because been a huge part of your
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life and my life.
Yeah.
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And so, at this point, I just
want to say thank you for
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listening and we'll look forward
to having you, listen to our
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next travels.
And and look at the Instagram, a
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