Episode 154: Stuff

Speaker 0 (0:09): Welcome back to Record of My Father. Today, we're gonna be talking about stuff. I recently have acquired a new chair. I'm very happy with this chair. I had this old chair.

Speaker 0 (0:21): It was a children's recliner because I thought it was normal recliner. I bought it off Facebook marketplace from from a woman that owned a spa TIMU? In Ontario. I went out there. I picked it up.

Speaker 0 (0:32): You can take the top off of it, like the the backrest part. And what I'm thinking is I'm gonna take the top off, throw it away, keep the base as an ottoman. What do you think?

Unknown Speaker (0:46): What rhymes with loser?

Speaker 0 (0:48): That sounds like the equivalent of having rusted out cars in your front yard. Yes. But it's in your bedroom. You know? Very much so.

Unknown Speaker (0:55): That's kind of similar.

Speaker 1 (0:56): It does. It it's You're definitely you're definitely in the rusted out car zone.

Unknown Speaker (1:00): I think I need three more chairs in here. I don't know. What do think?

Speaker 1 (1:06): The wife has gone through the, attic and gotten rid of stuff. I mean and a lifetime. I'm 66 years old. I've been collecting stuff since I got married. I was not allowed to bring anything over after we got married.

Speaker 1 (1:21): I remember going through my closet.

Unknown Speaker (1:23): I was not allowed to bring anything over after I got married. That's pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (1:28): That's funny. She lived in a one bedroom condo. And when we moved in together, pre getting married, we moved in together, and I had stuff. Right? I had a bed.

Speaker 1 (1:37): I had a lot of other stuff like that. And, basically, I just I don't remember what I did with it. I think I had a fire sale or a burn or whatever the hell it was.

Unknown Speaker (1:45): Oh.

Speaker 1 (1:46): Put it away somewhere. I don't I do not remember what I did with that. I'd have to ask her. But I remember looking at my clothes closet because I had every item that I'd ever had since I was nine in my closet because I had this idea that when you looked in my closet, it was full because I wanted to pretend that I had a lot of stuff that you could wear, but I only wore, like, three things in there.

Unknown Speaker (2:10): And that's me now as well.

Speaker 1 (2:11): I think And she was always saying, like, you know, you wear the same stained brown shorts, and you got and you got and you got two collared shirts that you wear, and you have one regular pullover T shirt. Do do you have anything else that you wear? And and we go to the closet, and it's like we're moving, and I'm packing up her car because she had a a Acura, that had a hatchback. And I was and I had the clothes, and I was going. And she's looking at them, and she pulls she's pulling them out one by one.

Speaker 1 (2:39): Right? And she goes, this. And it was a hand me down from my uncle here that lives in the that used to live in this house. His son, the cousin, and it had pit stains. I mean, literally brown pit stains.

Speaker 1 (2:56): And she goes, are you ever gonna wear this? And I was like, well, she goes, well, you're not gonna wear it with me. And I go, no, probably not. How long have you had it? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (3:09): Fifteen years maybe? And went through my closet. And I ended up having, like I had a I had a full closet of hanging clothes, and it was reduced to, like, six items. And then she was like, we need to go shopping. So my stuff was shrunk dramatically, you know, I mean, and I had a I had a really nice bed.

Speaker 1 (3:32): That was the one thing I had that was decent. I think I got rid of that because I don't I don't I'm not I'm not connected to items. I used to be connected to one thing. I was connected to my coin collection because that was something that I grew over time. And I collected these all through my youth.

Speaker 1 (3:52): And they were basically memories of times with uncles and, quasi relatives and people that my mother slept with and, you know, whatever the case. There were those.

Speaker 0 (4:07): Good episode. Go check out episode I think that's, like, 14 or something. Hungry Mother State Park. Yeah. That is about that.

Unknown Speaker (4:14): Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (4:14): Yeah. You can you can

Unknown Speaker (4:15): you can That's kinda crazy looking real

Speaker 1 (4:16): But that guy gave me coins. He gave me he gave me international coins, which I thought was cool because I'd never had any. And I had a 19 '39 German shilling. Do you know what happened in 1939? Yes.

Speaker 1 (4:32): Whatever. And it was like the Kaiser or whatever the hell his name was on the front. It wasn't Hitler at that point. It was somebody else. So and I'd saved that.

Speaker 1 (4:40): I'd saved all these coins. Then, of course, we moved into that place. We moved into another place, and we were shedding stuff all along the way. And then, I ended up, somebody stole them from our house.

Unknown Speaker (4:54): Somebody that you knew.

Speaker 1 (4:56): Well, yeah, that's the horrible thing. The horrible thing is the only thing the only object, you know, nonanimate object that I, inanimate, that I ever really connected with was to was coins. And I'd collected all these. I mean, I I collected the coins from, you know, my brother worked at Ed's Pizza Box. Ed Shelton.

Speaker 1 (5:23): And every so often, somebody would come in there and they played the pinball machine, and he'd clean it out and then, you know, do the receipts at the end of the night when he was, like, 15. You know, it was funny. That's the one where he used to bring the subs home and say and my mother would yell at him for why wouldn't he eat it at work? And he said, because it tasted better when he ate in front of us because he was wonderful.

Unknown Speaker (5:43): I really. It does, you know? I think it really does. I agree.

Speaker 1 (5:46): I I understand it but that's where I learned how to bite half a sub in one bite and that I I think I made him cry. And that's what that's what four years younger will do. We will say fuck you, and we will eat your sub. You taught me, do not taunt the man. I remember I was a big

Speaker 0 (6:07): pin collector when I was a kid. I think you could still have. You guys started

Speaker 1 (6:11): I I to I was just showing this one here. You have another pin, the Explorer's Club.

Speaker 0 (6:14): I don't adamantly do it like I used to. Because I think

Unknown Speaker (6:17): it was a whole hat.

Speaker 0 (6:19): Pseudo kind of supported by you guys. Not really. Pseudo. Yeah. I think it was fully supported.

Speaker 0 (6:24): Well, everywhere it went. Guys first because you were like, you're too young to remember things. So we're gonna make a pin hat. And then, the pin hat got full and then, I think when I was around 14, we stopped doing it because the hat got full and I think that's pretty much it and we never started like a second hat.

Speaker 1 (6:41): And we threw em in boxes and stuff like that but when. Yeah. It it wasn't the same thing as having a hat that had, you know, a 150 pins on it. Yeah. That was really cool.

Speaker 1 (6:49): Pounds. I think it's still around here somewhere. I mean, it's in stuff. I'm that way

Speaker 0 (6:54): with National Park T shirts now. Yeah. T shirts in fridge magnets. Fridge magnets, I really like. Because if you think about it, a fridge is like an unlimited hat.

Speaker 0 (7:03): You can just put as many magnets on there as you want, I guess, until a certain extent. But that's, you know, like, 500 magnets. You know? That's a lot of magnets.

Speaker 1 (7:12): When I Or a thousand magnets. I first started to travel, I would always go when I go to cities, Dallas, Cincinnati, New York, wherever the hell else I went, California, LA, whatever. I would always go to the Hard Rock Cafe, and I would buy a pink sweatshirt. And it would be, like, Dallas. You know?

Speaker 1 (7:35): And I dated somebody in Dallas. And then I dated somebody in Boston. I had Boston. And I dated somebody in New I New York. You know?

Unknown Speaker (7:42): What was your order?

Unknown Speaker (7:43): What was your order at the Hard Rock Cafe? What'd you order? What would you do that?

Speaker 1 (7:47): If anything, I'd got a burger, but for the most part, I wouldn't eat there because it was really expensive. I just go in and buy the sweatshirt and leave.

Unknown Speaker (7:54): Fair.

Speaker 1 (7:55): That was the whole thing. Mean, New York's was really cool. It had a Cadillac coming out of the front door. It looked like it crashed into the building. But they all had, like, you know, who was it?

Speaker 1 (8:08): Johnny B. Good. What is it? Who is that?

Unknown Speaker (8:12): Oh, Chuck Berry?

Speaker 1 (8:14): Yeah. Chuck Berry. They all had his guitar. They all had Jerry Lee Lewis' piano.

Unknown Speaker (8:18): How do they all have the same piano?

Speaker 1 (8:20): I know. How do they all do that? Because They he must have signed 50 of them, and they bought 30 of them or something.

Speaker 0 (8:26): Probably did some sort of time machine thing where it pauses an inanimate object in time, and they copy and pasted it somehow.

Speaker 1 (8:34): That's I think they lied and cheated.

Speaker 0 (8:36): Oh, or that's just That that also might work. I would say that that would work

Speaker 1 (8:40): as well. There were not authentication certificates next to them, so who knows? But, you know, it was the idea. They had Elvis's Hawaiian outfit where he wore the big white outfit and

Unknown Speaker (8:49): all that kind of stuff.

Unknown Speaker (8:50): Yeah. Yeah. That's a good book. Blooded drug man. And Bloated drug

Speaker 0 (8:55): man died on the toilet. But at the same time, I have looking now, I was folding my clothes for the first time in a while. And looking at my

Unknown Speaker (9:04): I see your your closet door.

Speaker 0 (9:06): Yeah. You see it open. It's it's nice. And Yeah. There's I have so many T shirts.

Speaker 0 (9:12): So many t I think it's 80% of my wardrobe is my T shirts. Right. It's crazy. It's bad. It's not good.

Unknown Speaker (9:19): Do you have any underwear?

Speaker 0 (9:21): Not really. I think about, like, probably 20 pairs. I don't know. Something like that.

Speaker 1 (9:25): 20 pairs?

Speaker 0 (9:26): Something like that. Yeah. People keep buying them for. I don't know. They keep buying them for me.

Unknown Speaker (9:32): Yeah. Like, every Christmas. You know?

Unknown Speaker (9:34): Yeah. Really? Yep. That's that's kinda weird. I mean, I understand a girlfriend giving you a gift like that,

Unknown Speaker (9:40): but Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (9:42): You know? Okay. So They might know what I know as soon as you buy

Speaker 0 (9:46): a new pair of 25 pack socks, you find the other 25 you've been missing the whole time. And then you got, like, 80 socks, and that's what my closet is is socks and T shirts.

Speaker 1 (9:57): We have we have a dresser drawer full of your crap here. I mean, a whole not a drawer, but a whole dresser.

Speaker 0 (10:05): I I looked in there when I was back. It was only right socks, though. It wasn't left socks. You know? It was only right.

Unknown Speaker (10:12): It wasn't left. And I I was kinda upsetting to see because I think I have all the left ones out here. Yeah. You know? I don't know.

Unknown Speaker (10:20): I just wanna test that theory. Well, that's what I gotta do too. Oh, I lost my sheets the other day. Yeah. Because, like, I don't know where they went.

Unknown Speaker (10:27): I don't know. Because I've been I have one pair

Unknown Speaker (10:29): of sheets that I bought Yeah.

Speaker 0 (10:31): Recently because I was like, it's time. It's time to buy new sheets. And then I Did you

Unknown Speaker (10:35): just throw away the old ones?

Speaker 0 (10:36): I think maybe that's what I did. I think that that's what I did because I don't know where they went, and I think I just subconsciously was like, you know what? I've had these since college. It might be time. It might be time.

Speaker 1 (10:46): Were was it were they hard?

Unknown Speaker (10:50): How'd you know? But, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:52): That's that's when you get that's when you're into the trash mode of, like, what? It's funny when you go through your stuff and you wanna get rid of it. You know? And it's like everybody has things. And it's like I look on my desk, and I have, like, a I have a little Buddha that I got from China, and I have a mask from Chile, and I have another I have a window box from Guatemala.

Speaker 1 (11:10): I have one from Ecuador. I have a shield from Africa from the Maasai. I have the spear from Maasai. I have the goat herders from Kenya, the whatever that wood stick is. I think about the different things that I've kept.

Speaker 1 (11:29): I have two bottles of bourbon unopened.

Unknown Speaker (11:32): Jose still unopened.

Speaker 1 (11:34): They're still unopened. I mean, I was gonna drill Africa? No. No. What it is is after we climbed Kilimanjaro, Jose bought me a bottle of Maker's Mark with the date that we summited and my name on it.

Unknown Speaker (11:49): I forgot that he bought that.

Speaker 1 (11:51): I said we're Kilimanjaro 78, o 6. Yeah. And, you know, and then he gives me the bottle of Maker's Mark. And I remember I was in a pinch because it was late at night. It was, like, 01:00 in the morning.

Speaker 1 (12:04): I'm going, hey. Hey. Does it matter if I drink the bourbon? And he goes, well, course, you can drink the bourbon, but then the bottle doesn't really mean anything.

Unknown Speaker (12:15): That is just the bottle. Damn.

Speaker 1 (12:16): Yeah. That's when I put the bottle down. My my dad used to get those fancy bottles from his brother who would bring them down from Massachusetts, and they were like the the decorative bottles of cheap scotch or cheap bourbon, whatever the hell it was. And he would immediately open them up and drink the all the bourbon. And then we would keep them for a while, and then you're like, what what is it?

Unknown Speaker (12:39): It's just a bottle, you know.

Unknown Speaker (12:40): It's just a bottle, you know.

Speaker 0 (12:41): Well, that was like the one of the roommates I had in college used to collect every single liquor bottle he ever drank.

Speaker 1 (12:48): And and old cigarette butts. I remember that.

Unknown Speaker (12:50): Oh, yeah. But where do you where do you put those?

Unknown Speaker (12:53): I don't remember. On the floor.

Unknown Speaker (12:54): Oh, that's nice. That's what you gotta do.

Speaker 1 (12:57): Remember I was like I don't

Speaker 0 (12:58): know how we never got, like, fined for anything. Because I remember many times people would smoke cigarettes in the apartment. Yep. And it didn't really matter. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:08): And they would put them out on the floor.

Unknown Speaker (13:10): Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:10): Pretty much. Was like, that is a level of pigginess that was beyond me.

Unknown Speaker (13:16): But what's

Speaker 1 (13:17): weird is cigarettes, but I would I would flip them out the window, and there would be a pile in the backyard, like, two feet high. And that was okay. I

Speaker 0 (13:27): remember when he got evicted, though. Yeah. He had been using all of my cookware. And Yeah. I had to dig it out of the trash and wash it, which was nice because his parents were just such great people.

Speaker 0 (13:39): And then I had to throw away

Unknown Speaker (13:40): I think it was Were they POSs?

Unknown Speaker (13:42): Oh, yeah. Yeah. I had to throw away 200 liquor bottles, I think, which took forever.

Unknown Speaker (13:48): Yeah.

Speaker 0 (13:48): You ever put, like, even just 25 liquor bottles in a trash can? It's heavy. It's heavy. So and we lived in the middle of the building, so I had to walk out Yeah. Several times.

Speaker 0 (13:58): Because then the guy that that was so funny. He was a male nurse, moved in. He was like, think 48. And he's like, wait. Is this student living?

Speaker 0 (14:06): I'm like, how did you not know that before you signed a year lease on this place? Like, how did you not know? It literally says student living on the front of it. Yeah. I digest.

Speaker 0 (14:16): But yeah. So then that guy lived there, and then I left. And then he wanted, like, half off rent when he moved in, and then I think I it was like, no. You're not getting half off rent.

Unknown Speaker (14:24): What what about

Unknown Speaker (14:27): That guy was

Speaker 1 (14:27): interested the stuff. What do you have from in your room right now or in your abode? What do you have from your childhood?

Speaker 0 (14:34): Way too much stuff. Know? I have a slider that I stole from a hoarder when I was 12. I have that. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 0 (14:42): That's that's the one thing that I care about from my childhood.

Unknown Speaker (14:50): I have a lighter that I stole from a hoarder. Okay. That's that's that's I don't really

Speaker 0 (14:56): have things like that. I don't know. I have this one thing that I made where this woman from Mongolia gave me this postcard, and it's written in Mongolia, and I can't read it.

Unknown Speaker (15:06): But that is just It's too That's something recent.

Speaker 0 (15:08): It's $2 signs. And then I went to a framer

Unknown Speaker (15:11): Yeah. Who's a good friend

Speaker 0 (15:12): of mine. His name is also Phil, funny enough. Yeah. And that's what we were talking about earlier.

Speaker 1 (15:17): Spelled the same, is it? It's mine's f I l l.

Unknown Speaker (15:20): Yeah. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (15:20): House is spelled.

Unknown Speaker (15:21): Well, that's what you know what's funny is every time I say your first name oh, I think we were just talking about this. I can count, I think, on one hand how many times I've said your first name. Because I always call you dad. I don't call you Yeah. Phil.

Unknown Speaker (15:32): You know? Now it's six, actually. But yeah. Yeah. I don't have that.

Unknown Speaker (15:36): No.

Unknown Speaker (15:37): Don't know what happened for

Speaker 0 (15:38): my childhood. That's weird. I every time that somebody's called their parents by the first name, like, you don't respect them. You were raised incorrectly. That is I

Speaker 1 (15:46): don't know why that is. And I don't I don't I but I I I I have had friends of yours call me by my first name and I always felt like

Speaker 0 (15:55): when you're adults, that makes sense. I think that's

Unknown Speaker (15:58): fine. Even then, I don't I don't think

Speaker 0 (16:00): It's still strange. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (16:02): Well, they call me Zach's dad.

Unknown Speaker (16:05): Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (16:06): Which I'm like, I'm fine with that. Or all my nieces and nephews, most of them call me uncle Phil. You know? Because I'm the crazy guy. I'm the I'm the one that's fun.

Speaker 1 (16:17): Although I wasn't fun at the last wedding, I found that proximity to the party is more important than, quiet and happiness. Right?

Unknown Speaker (16:27): Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (16:28): Yep. That's fair. I was good. Yeah. You were.

Speaker 1 (16:31): So but I probably wasn't good as a party person because most weddings I go to, I am the the the the lead drunk who drags people out until I shut everybody down, and then they all go to bed. And then, you know, except for the ones that are doing ketamine and speed and stuff like that, I can't keep up with them. I let them continue to go, and then I go to bed. And, you know, and I don't do that. I'm I don't do it anymore.

Speaker 1 (16:57): I did it when I was a kid. I'm no longer a kid, and I have this idea that 66 I wanna live past 67. So that that's

Unknown Speaker (17:06): There's something that I've realized in

Unknown Speaker (17:09): Been there, done that.

Speaker 0 (17:09): That, you know, you're living for today instead of tomorrow. Right. And every time that you think that you're making a memory when with something that's alcohol fueled and that you're you're probably going to remember a quarter of, you know? Right. I mean, is it really, is it the same as waking up tomorrow and feeling fresh?

Speaker 0 (17:27): I don't know. You know, I don't know. What is what is celebration? What is a party? I don't know.

Unknown Speaker (17:34): Well, we're thinking about items that we keep.

Unknown Speaker (17:41): Massive ball.

Speaker 1 (17:43): That's from 1979, October 7. That's when Pope Popey Pope was there. I don't know what his name is.

Unknown Speaker (17:50): Pope Benedict or whatever his name is.

Speaker 1 (17:52): No. Long before Benedict. This guy, he he's a crowd dispersal. They don't they don't have his name. They have a bunch of hymns that, you know, 10,000 people sang.

Speaker 1 (18:05): I remember we were walking down the street and people were selling holy water on that. It's so funny.

Unknown Speaker (18:10): That's cool.

Speaker 1 (18:11): And so we had bought KFC and we were eating KFC out there. And so I started saying, chicken bones from the last dinner. Yeah, we were those people. We were the people that you can't take to places like that because we're bad. We just call it outright for the bullshit that it is or that we believe it is.

Speaker 1 (18:31): So that's the way it is. But we think about all the different objects, you know, I look at the different things that are just sitting on the desk here, that we keep, that have some memory to us, you know, and it's like, look on my shelves and my shelves, I've taken half the stuff off a lot of the stuff that I used to have for the global securities information. People call me up, oh, I can't get rid of this. It's a it's the cutter that you gave me in 1994, you know, and I'm like, okay, Shot glasses. There's GSI shot glasses.

Speaker 1 (19:02): There's wine glasses. There are rulers. Just a myriad of marketing tchotchkes used to buy all these and give them out at shows. And all the a lot of librarians, the ones that are retired, still have them, and they're going through their attics, they're like, what is this happy horseshit? And so they contact me and say, do you want this back?

Speaker 1 (19:24): And I'm like, no. I'm trying to get I still have a a roll up GSI tarp that I had when we climbed Machu Picchu, And I have a picture of me holding it at the top of Mont you know, the not at the top. We were doing the Inca Trail when we went through the the Sun Gates. We went through there. We took a picture of that.

Speaker 1 (19:50): I've got subsequently gotten rid of that. I mean, mean, I don't I I want to I like memories. And when I think about the memories that I have today for all the different things, so much of it is captured in photos. And that that that this this is my memory vehicle right now as I take pictures, and I have thousands of pictures and people like, why are always taking pictures? And it's like, because, you know, when people say, well, what did you do?

Speaker 1 (20:17): Where have you been? And I'm like, I don't know. Where the you know? And then I find out that, oh, I was in Frederick, and I went to a wedding. Oh, before Frederick, I was at, I was in Buenos Aires, and I was in Agazoo Falls.

Speaker 1 (20:29): And then before that, I was in and so my keepsakes are those photos. And every so often when I'm bored, I'll look back or someone will say, what'd you do? And, yeah, I mean, if I ask you, what did you do for the last six months? What would you say?

Unknown Speaker (20:43): Look through the photos. You know?

Speaker 1 (20:45): Yeah. You go when you go, oh, we went to Moab. We we we climbed Arches. We went to Arches National.

Unknown Speaker (20:51): Was that? Was that last October? That was last October. Right?

Unknown Speaker (20:55): No. I think it was in spring. I don't know. It's something like that. Who who remembers?

Unknown Speaker (20:58): It was 2025, though. Right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:00): No. It was, like, last week, I think.

Speaker 0 (21:01): Yeah. Was, like, yesterday. Yeah. But what was the thing? Well, you know what I forgot about?

Speaker 0 (21:07): When I drove from Virginia all the way down to New Orleans and then up to Arizona in 2020 Woah. I forgot that I took, like, three rolls of film there. Yeah. Because in my room, there's all these photos. I'm like, where are these from?

Speaker 0 (21:23): And then I looked back at them and I'm like, oh, I forgot. And it's kind of interesting because there were photos of Bourbon Street. Looks completely different than Yeah. Today. I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (21:34): But we went there and that's where we went last. It was New Orleans, for Fat Tuesday in, 02/17/2019.

Unknown Speaker (21:43): Yeah. Was a good time.

Speaker 1 (21:44): But it was a it's a memory that you, you know, that do I have anything from it? I think we got remember we had all the all the necklaces and all that kind of stuff like that.

Unknown Speaker (21:54): I still have the toothbrush right here.

Speaker 1 (21:56): Yeah. I was running around yelling at people. Show us you know, I would say everybody I would say no one's yelling. Show us your your boobs. Right?

Unknown Speaker (22:03): There was no nudity really at all.

Speaker 1 (22:05): None. So I went around and was raising my shirt, you know, trying to get people to throw me beads, and people would throw me beads when I showed my boobs. So remember

Unknown Speaker (22:13): It's a nice thing to beads,

Speaker 1 (22:14): you gotta show your boobs. Right? You know? And they were giving me beads to lower my shirt.

Speaker 0 (22:21): I am plain sick. Whatever happened to the antivirus? You know? Whatever happened to that?

Unknown Speaker (22:27): I think you got it. Maybe that's

Unknown Speaker (22:28): pretty quickly. It went away really quickly, though. You know?

Speaker 1 (22:32): Well, there's there's now there's Ebola and there's a massive, I mean, there's a really bad flu that the spring at at, you know, one of those had that. But it's a matter of, what kind of stuff? Think about other stuff. Do you have any, I know people that have cars that they've had for twenty five years.

Unknown Speaker (22:53): Yeah, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (22:54): And they're it's a big, big it's a big part of their life, and it and it connects them to whatever it connects them to. Don't know. And they still drive them and drive them every day. And that's their thing, you know, whereas I don't don't want a car that doesn't have electric windows. I don't want a car that doesn't have a great chassis and a great suspension system because I'm fat and lazy and I like comfort.

Speaker 1 (23:17): And I want an air conditioner that basically puts an icicle on my eyelids. That's what I want.

Unknown Speaker (23:23): I do like the air conditioner.

Speaker 1 (23:24): Those kind of things are in the new cars. I don't like the whole tracking thing. You know, I just saw recently where they

Unknown Speaker (23:31): have That's getting weird.

Speaker 1 (23:33): Yeah. Where people have, you know, a camera. In in the latest Nationwide. Electric BMW, there's a bullet camera over your head.

Unknown Speaker (23:44): Strange.

Unknown Speaker (23:45): What the? I mean

Unknown Speaker (23:47): Well, they people are talking about those security cameras.

Speaker 1 (23:50): In my car. I do not want it filmed. And I think if you put it online, people are gonna be like, that's disgusting. You know?

Speaker 0 (23:57): The security cameras that are in your house, you know, they're a third party, manufacturer. Yeah. And how anybody can really have access to those. Isn't that interesting? Not just Ring, but also a lot of the other ones too.

Speaker 1 (24:10): Well, they're talking in Florida. They're putting up flock they're called flocks cameras everywhere on the streets. So they're videotaping everything. And Why? And and and The UK, they're kinda used to the CCTV anywhere like, hey.

Speaker 0 (24:24): Every single place. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:26): Yeah. There's a TV, and it's and people are accustomed to it. But in here, we're not. You know, we had a big stink over whether or not you can give people tickets. I think if you're gonna give people automated tickets that we should get rid of the police.

Speaker 0 (24:39): Well, there was a I completely agree with that. I think that we sorry. We don't need them.

Speaker 1 (24:43): If if we're going to if we're gonna if we're gonna automate, crime, then we should cut down on the crime force that because they have nothing to do but, you know, beat up defense people.

Speaker 0 (24:58): You know what I like is that, everybody talked about how New York was gonna become this communistic kind of endeavor after Mam Donnie became governor or whatever it is, mayor. Yeah. And and now the crime's the lowest it's ever been. Isn't that crazy?

Unknown Speaker (25:12): Yeah. Well, I mean, also, and he balanced the budget. He did all these other things. But he outstayed help, and it's like, that's what a mayor does, you dumbass.

Unknown Speaker (25:19): Yeah. I don't really They don't understand that.

Speaker 1 (25:21): Do it from the money that they pull out of their pocket. You know? But we we're we'll we'll get into politics, and it'll be a squirrel into hell because people believe half or they believe the other half or the third or the quarter that that and then Well,

Speaker 0 (25:33): I think it's so funny because it's just disguise. It's all a disguise for a top down issue. It always has been. Where you have these elite at the top, and they want you at the bottom arguing democrat or republican when titles don't really matter. They don't really matter at all because everybody's trying to fuck you anyway.

Speaker 0 (25:51): So I don't really

Speaker 1 (25:52): It's a really large comic. Uh-uh.

Unknown Speaker (25:55): Oh, South Park. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:56): No. No. Comic. Comic. He did a bit on that, and he said, it's not about black and white.

Speaker 1 (26:03): I grew up in Arkansas. You know, we didn't we didn't see black and white. We saw rich and poor. Mhmm. And we were some broke ass motherfuckers, you know, and you're like

Unknown Speaker (26:15): Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 (26:15): You know, I I had I didn't in my trailer park, everybody was the same. Mhmm. But it's funny that that and we grew up in Woodbridge, and we were we were very attuned to what people in our little neighborhood had that we didn't in our own little group of poverty. We were middle class, lower middle class, something like that. You know?

Speaker 1 (26:38): But we lived indoors and we had food and health care and all that kind of stuff like that. But but, you know, if you had the latest, Johnny Rockets or whatever Converse tennis shoes or Levi's or whatever, We always had Jeepers and Tuskens.

Speaker 0 (26:56): What was the thing that I saw recently? It was Republicans are racist but secretly gay, and then Democrats are gay but secretly racist. Thought thought that that was great. I thought that that was hilarious. Okay.

Unknown Speaker (27:10): That's that's because it's kinda true. You know? It's kinda true.

Unknown Speaker (27:13): Well, I think that you look at any generalization. There's there's

Unknown Speaker (27:16): Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:17): They're they're generalizing 5% of the population, and they're ascribing those motives to the whole source. I don't I didn't I'm a I'm a firm believer that when we do these vast comparisons of people that were marginalizing probably 60 or 70% of the people were actually saying. It's like when you when you look at Jewish people or black people or white people or old white people or old white women, and you say, oh, old women do this. You know? And you're like, nah.

Speaker 1 (27:51): There's a there's a portion. You know? But there's a whole lot of them that don't. You know? So it's like, I I just it's a difference.

Speaker 1 (28:00): You know? But what kind of stuff do you I I mean, I look at your Squidward. When did you get that? It's on the back wall.

Unknown Speaker (28:06): Oh, god. Four or five months ago, something like that.

Unknown Speaker (28:10): So it's in the past months. It's not years.

Unknown Speaker (28:12): Do you

Unknown Speaker (28:13): have anything in there? Oh, no. What's that that that watch that you have on the wall? Oh, that's the oldest thing you have in there.

Unknown Speaker (28:18): That's probably the oldest thing I have in there. I got that. That's actually my prized possession other than the lighter.

Unknown Speaker (28:23): We got that.

Unknown Speaker (28:24): Think of anything else that matters.

Unknown Speaker (28:25): 2,001? Yeah. 2,000.

Unknown Speaker (28:28): Probably.

Unknown Speaker (28:28): When the hell were you born '99?

Unknown Speaker (28:30): Something like that.

Speaker 1 (28:31): So we got that in '99. That's when we got that because we went down to Zebicheski or whatever the guy that paints those things.

Unknown Speaker (28:38): Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:38): The Polish guy. And, I had seen his artwork. We did a a thing on art, and I've talked about it. But he gave us that as a gift when I bought one of the big paintings. Paintings.

Speaker 1 (28:50): And he said it was for the kid in your belly, and he said that to Valerie, who was your mother, you know, at least I'm pretty sure she

Unknown Speaker (28:58): was my mother. Yes.

Speaker 1 (28:59): Yeah. She she still is for the most part.

Speaker 0 (29:03): For the most part.

Speaker 1 (29:06): Now she's she's always gotta be your mommy. Come on.

Unknown Speaker (29:09): Yes. Indeed.

Speaker 1 (29:10): And just whatever you do, don't call her me ma.

Unknown Speaker (29:13): It's almost her birthday. Tomorrow is her birthday, actually.

Speaker 1 (29:15): Tomorrow is her birthday. Oh my gosh. Tomorrow is your favorite word. I mean, I just you had those words as a kid that just stuck with me. And I would just say them to other people, and they will look at me like, what's that word that you can't say?

Speaker 1 (29:29): Retarded? What's the mentally challenged. There you go. It will look at me like I'm deficient, you know, which is probably pretty close to What was

Speaker 0 (29:38): certain point. Well, I'm trying to think about the stuff that I have. I remember thinking that I was going to look back at my artwork or something and use it as inspiration. And then I think, like, two times before I went home, like, when have you ever done that in your entire life? And then I said, I have never done that in my entire life.

Speaker 0 (29:59): And I'm like, do I really wanna remember the time I learned fractions? Not really. And then I threw all that stuff away because I was like, I and you know what? This is the first time that I've thought about it since I've thrown it away, so I don't really care.

Speaker 1 (30:11): I have college books. I had college books. Your mother had all these law books, and I had securities, financial securities, pricing securities. Graham Dodd, it's a really famous finance guy book that I took a class in my last year at Old Dominion and 400 level series. Anyway, very, very intricate financial modeling for how to price securities and what they're worth and the valuation, all this other kind of happy horse shit that they taught you.

Speaker 1 (30:42): I had an international finance book, which is about looking at currencies and how do you trade forward and backward and all this other kind of happy horse shit, which I don't remember. I couldn't do that for naught. Now, I would have to trust some algorithm when I punched it in now. But, I never used any of that stuff. The law books, none of it.

Speaker 1 (31:07): Never. I I know people that have, like, medicine books, which, you know, now it's all online. And instead of going to the chapter, reading down the chapter and going, oh, was it under, you know, rashes? And then go into that chapter and then, oh, that chapter's a 140 pages long and go into page 71. And then instead of that, you can just type in, I have a rash on my ass, you know, and it's red.

Speaker 1 (31:37): And then boom, it'll come out and give you 20 things. WebMD will do do exactly that. It's not by any means a replacement for a doctor. None. None.

Speaker 1 (31:48): Please don't accept that.

Speaker 0 (31:49): Always tell you you have cancer. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:51): Yeah. Well, I mean, the thing is, is that every single symptom that you have, some of them apply to 700 different things. So the key is to narrow it down to what your thing is and you know, it's like, like, hey, so they're always trying to figure that. That's that's the key to being a smart person looking at someone and saying, hey, I have this blah blah blah and it's like, well, where did you travel recently? What did you do?

Speaker 1 (32:25): What, you know, who did you associate with? Do you go in the house? What's your backyard? Do you have a do you live in the woods? Do you live, you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, and then you could narrow down where or how or

Speaker 0 (32:45): How am I drove down to what was it? Kings Dominion on the first Juneteenth ever. Everybody had the same idea and it took Oh. Six hours. That was the worst day of my life.

Speaker 0 (32:56): Yep.

Speaker 1 (32:56): And it's a two hour ride normally.

Unknown Speaker (32:59): Not even. It's like, I think an hour and a

Unknown Speaker (33:00): half. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (33:01): Yeah. What

Unknown Speaker (33:01): is it? 90 miles?

Unknown Speaker (33:04): Less than that. I don't

Unknown Speaker (33:06): know. Less than that.

Unknown Speaker (33:06): I think it's less than that.

Unknown Speaker (33:07): Kings Dominion is Oh my gosh. Norfolk. I would opt. Just pulled over on the side of my road road and just hung myself.

Speaker 0 (33:13): No. I wanted to because somebody didn't drive. You know? Yeah. And it was just a heinous experience.

Speaker 0 (33:20): A heinous, heinous experience.

Speaker 1 (33:21): Yeah. And I think the thing is is that people that didn't drive don't understand because they don't understand the Yeah. The added pressure and stuff. I mean, it's

Unknown Speaker (33:30): funny. Agree.

Speaker 1 (33:31): It's the funny thing that I noticed now is that when I go downtown, I Uber almost exclusively. And the last time we went downtown because your mother was like, oh, you could find parking. We're gonna have plenty of time. And we went down there, and the garage was full, and the streets were full. And then we went to another garage, and it was full, and we went to a third garage.

Unknown Speaker (33:53): Oh my god.

Unknown Speaker (33:54): Time, you know, your

Unknown Speaker (33:55): Third garage, you're like, maybe we should just go home.

Speaker 1 (33:58): You're squabbling. No. We were gonna meet people for dinner, So it isn't like we could just stand them up.

Speaker 0 (34:04): But Oh, you're meeting people. Okay, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (34:06): We left a half an hour, forty five minutes early. So we would be there a half an hour early. And we walked in right on time. But it was the level of squabbling between your mother and I was just silly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:21): And at the end, it was like, I said, you don't, she said, we don't, we don't need to drive anymore. We can we can take it. We could take a taxi or Uber or whatever the hell it is. And and I was like, yes. So I go to I was just went to a baseball game on Wednesday, Kansas City and the Nats.

Speaker 1 (34:40): Kansas City, which sucks, killed them. They were just hitting home run after home run after home run. Six to two was when we walked down on the game and said, forget it. I was having my little AFib thing saying, hey.

Unknown Speaker (34:52): Oh, that's nice.

Speaker 1 (34:53): This sucks. I probably need some more alcohol, but, I I I I

Unknown Speaker (35:01): we In the face of a heart attack.

Speaker 1 (35:03): In the face of a heart attack, what do you do?

Unknown Speaker (35:05): Drink anyway.

Speaker 1 (35:06): I needed a cigar and, a shot of brown liquor. But, no, I'm off brown liquor at least.

Unknown Speaker (35:13): Really? That's good.

Speaker 1 (35:14): Yeah. I haven't since I don't think I've done this year.

Speaker 0 (35:17): Not even clear too. Right? Clear very rarely. No.

Speaker 1 (35:20): I don't. I I'm I'm staying away from that. I'm I'm a I'm a wino and a bureau, and I find that that's good enough for me. And usually it's only in social situations. So that works very well for me.

Speaker 1 (35:36): And I can gauge, and I'm also I think I'm outgoing enough and seemingly reasonably intelligent enough to be able to carry on a conversation with people without having to drink a loosener. You know? Yeah. When I when I first started in business, I didn't have that capability to walk into a room full of people I didn't know and just walk up and say, hi. My name is Phil Brown.

Unknown Speaker (36:01): How are you?

Unknown Speaker (36:02): That's that sucks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:03): That's that's very, very hard. That's a hard skill. And then to be and to be rejected Oh, yeah. 10 times in a row. And it's kinda like dating at a bar.

Unknown Speaker (36:14): You know? It's like, yo, baby. How you going?

Speaker 0 (36:16): That I've gotten better at the rejection, but it still sucks. Like, oh my I don't think it's number not gonna suck, you know?

Unknown Speaker (36:24): Oh, it does. Think it's never. It doesn't. I

Speaker 0 (36:26): remember American Film Market last year. I went to 15 animated production companies. Sounds like this. And 15 times I was told we don't do two d animation. We don't do two d animation.

Speaker 0 (36:39): We don't do two d animation. And then I went to an additional 30 companies for post production funding when all of them said, no, there's no way we're doing that. There's no way we're doing that. So I guess I'm gonna do it myself, and everybody's going to rue the day that they never funded this.

Speaker 1 (36:57): Right. You're gonna see you're gonna see that they

Speaker 0 (37:01): Well, we already have potential buyers too. Interesting. Because a lot of them, three of the the 30 said that they're interested in taking it further. Three of which are actual major production companies, which is pretty great. Not these kind of subgenre b list.

Speaker 0 (37:15): It's kind of interesting what the straight to DVD market became after DVDs no longer became something. Because it kind of went to these, like, substandard streaming platforms that nobody really knows about, which is interesting. Yeah. Like, there's a couple production companies that I was talking with. Oh, when we We make movies for $20,000.

Unknown Speaker (37:35): Like, how do you even do that? Like, how is that even possible? That's crazy.

Unknown Speaker (37:38): They don't pay anybody.

Unknown Speaker (37:40): Yeah. That that

Speaker 1 (37:41): Lot of people do work for free, and the idea that they're gonna get something out of their name being on it. Like you said, I'm executive producing this. Why? Well, because then people will see my name there and then I can get work from that. And that's what they're hoping for is to get paid work by doing free work.

Unknown Speaker (37:56): My question though is a

Speaker 1 (37:57): lot- It's the internship at all these different places. And usually it's pretty much for people that already have enough money to survive, and a lot of people out there that don't have enough money to survive have to work in Walmart in the off hours so they can afford it or they have to work at, what what the hell is that place called?

Unknown Speaker (38:13): Well, I'd love to know what the Where do

Unknown Speaker (38:15): you work at, Cisco? Cisco. What the

Speaker 0 (38:17): what the distribution workflow looks like? Because they're distributing like these D list movies. And I'm like, what, how are you making money back on this? Well, the distribution deals themselves could be very aggressive where it's like Yeah. You sign a contract.

Speaker 0 (38:32): You don't read it properly. You have to affront or pay back the money that they spent on the distribution to begin with, and it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (38:41): That's called Yeah. They do that with advances in books. When I tell you that, hey, you wrote a bestseller. So I'm gonna give you a $2,000,000 advance and be like, wow, I got a $2,000,000 advance. It's like, you you realize that if he doesn't sell $2,000,000 worth of books,

Unknown Speaker (38:56): Exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:57): He's he's going to have to pay that back. Well, that was not just 2,000,000. He gets 2,000,000. He's gotta sell like 20,000,000 worth of books. So, it's it's it's all it is is living money because so often what you do in your industry in particular, you're getting paid now for what you're to produce in the future which is a scary thing to do.

Speaker 1 (39:19): I mean, I I've always been weird about that.

Speaker 0 (39:21): You have to think about it in a ten year stretch. You can't think about it in Yeah. Year to year. There's no way that you can think about

Unknown Speaker (39:28): And and you learn that. You didn't

Unknown Speaker (39:30): know that

Speaker 1 (39:30): going in. You're you're you're you're basically you're running into this and it's just like the same way we ran it. We ran into online stuff and we had a these this this group of guys that were gonna design this product for us. When we were when we were a paper based company, we wanted to go online, and we've been making a lot of money. We had, you know, hundreds of thousand dollars in the bank, and they they were like, hey, We're gonna have this new EDGAR information.

Speaker 1 (39:54): It's gonna be streaming live financial statements and filings that are gonna be coming through, and you can you can hook up to it and see it like a ticker. You know? And we were like, well, we deal with law firms and they wanna search. No. No.

Unknown Speaker (40:08): No. That's not gonna work. Well, I would say What's gonna cost? $450,000.

Speaker 0 (40:13): But there's a lot of people that are self important losers in this in this game as well. Yeah. All those people important to realize and that a lot of people are cappers. And Yeah. Claim that they have all of this kind of access to these things.

Speaker 0 (40:29): I'm like, then why are you at my level if you're so important? And it's they can never answer that question.

Speaker 1 (40:35): I think they collect too much stuff, don't you?

Unknown Speaker (40:37): I think so. I think that. Yeah. Then

Unknown Speaker (40:39): You think about stuff? What else do I have? What do I have in the yard? I mean, I just got rid of my wheelbarrow and I got another wheelbarrow.

Speaker 0 (40:45): I remember I collected dip cans for a while for one side.

Unknown Speaker (40:48): That was disgusting.

Speaker 0 (40:49): That I think I had like a huddle while, like, maybe over 200. That was

Unknown Speaker (40:54): great. Yeah. A lot of That was just We had a special trash pickup for that.

Unknown Speaker (40:59): That was

Unknown Speaker (40:59): You know? And then

Unknown Speaker (41:00): That was a of dip cans, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 (41:02): And it was nasty. Yep. Yep. I think about all the all the collector things. I I did that in college.

Speaker 1 (41:08): I collected, empty beer cans in my room, and I was in a real small little room, maybe 10 by 10 tops with a slanted ceiling so you could only stand in half the room. But it was a $100 a month. I mean, think about my rent at a $100 a month. And that and it didn't include utilities, but a $100 a month for a room was just nothing. You know?

Speaker 1 (41:32): I mean, I could make that during the summer and do it, but the stuff I collected then, I still have my little I have a little, koala bear that I that I used to that it it it's like a it snaps onto your finger like this. And I've had that for, like, fifty years. I got I got it at college, and I kept it. I also have a, my first pot that I threw not the pot that I smoked. The pot that I threw is this perfect, and it's perfect.

Speaker 1 (42:02): I mean, in the, I would say that the glaze is shitty, but it's okay. But the pots vaguely remember what you're talking about. Symmetrical, and I still use it, and it's something that means that means something to me. If that broke, I would feel bad. You know?

Speaker 0 (42:20): I saw the thing that you hand built, which is like the giant black piece of clay with the holes in it. Yeah. It has like the it looks like almost like a satanic ritual.

Unknown Speaker (42:29): It's a volcano.

Unknown Speaker (42:30): Oh, that's what

Speaker 1 (42:31): it is. With lava coming off the top, and it it also holds a handle. Oh. You know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:35): Yeah. Something to that effect. And then, or did I steal it? I don't remember. Anyway,

Speaker 0 (42:41): I always thought that was the weirdest looking thing.

Speaker 1 (42:43): But there was a bunch of things like that that were made really weird where you could pull off the bottom and there was, like, a cavern for water and you can make it into a bong. And that was the

Unknown Speaker (42:55): whole yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:56): And I didn't, like, I I didn't get the tubes right and all this kind of stuff. So

Unknown Speaker (43:00): That'll do it.

Speaker 1 (43:01): It didn't work out.

Speaker 0 (43:02): Well, I remember the kids in my high school would snort the clay and did not know what silicosis was, and the teacher got really mad at him.

Unknown Speaker (43:11): Would you snort? That that

Speaker 0 (43:13): I don't know. Just being, like, annoying towards the teacher.

Speaker 1 (43:16): I mean, in first grade, we ate crayons and those number two But these are

Unknown Speaker (43:20): high school.

Speaker 1 (43:20): Pencils. You know? This is this is six years old, you know, but snorting clay. Yeah. My god.

Unknown Speaker (43:28): And they were rich kids too. You'd think they could afford some decent coke.

Unknown Speaker (43:32): Know? Well, they did it, like, as a joke or something. But silicosis is a real thing.

Speaker 1 (43:38): No. I did that. I did it as a joke when I did the Freon. That was woah.

Speaker 0 (43:42): Well, I remember we used to throw the clay from across the room at this one kid that would try to throw something on the wheel every time. Yeah. I don't know why we did this. It was so funny. And we would literally be all the way across the room.

Speaker 0 (43:55): Throw the clay would destroy whatever he had. Yeah. Honestly.

Unknown Speaker (43:59): Well, the thing is it takes concentration. You gotta have steady hands. And if someone distracts you, it can mess it up. I I happen to

Unknown Speaker (44:06): to me too. They used to throw the clay at me and destroy my pieces too. So I was like

Speaker 1 (44:09): I love it. We had spit wads. Spit wads were the biggest thing in the world for us. Up in, like, seventh grade, I remember, was, like, the height of spit watery. And you would get you would get a bunch of juice a bunch of paper.

Speaker 1 (44:21): Usually, your homework from yesterday that was graded that came back. You chew up the whole, like, spiral bound into your mouth. You get a chaw. You get it together, and it'd be all chopped up nice and slimy. And then you'd be on one end of the classroom, and you just throw it up in the air to the other side, and you hear a splat.

Unknown Speaker (44:39): And the teacher would like

Unknown Speaker (44:41): and you wait till she

Speaker 1 (44:42): was looking at the board and writing on the he or she, whatever, were writing on the board. And then they turn around, and then they'd look at me, Alverson. There's, like, three or four of us. What did you guys do? I mean, there was never like, nobody else could have done it, but it was only us.

Speaker 1 (44:59): And then we had people brought in the big squirt guns, like the the giant squirt guns, and they bring them in under their army jackets because it was cool to have army jackets when in in junior high and high school. And they'd pull them out and squirt all across the room and just soak people, and he'd be like, alright. Alright. Alright. And then you wait till you go outside, and he'd grab his head and stuff it in the toilet or whatever.

Unknown Speaker (45:21): You know? Payback's wage.

Speaker 0 (45:22): To have the sleds, the first sled I ever rode on, and then he threw it away because you said no more memories for you. Every time I come home, you're like, what is the thing that defines I think that's the point of this whole episode is you wanna know what is most important to me so you can throw it away.

Speaker 1 (45:37): Right. Exactly. That's I mean, your mother has a a case, a literal footlocker case of stuff like Memory chest is

Unknown Speaker (45:46): what it's called.

Speaker 1 (45:47): Your first Cub Scout hat, your, all your pens and all your buttons with all the little things that you earned. You didn't earn the religious one, you horrible child. Do you? And Was that a thing? Yes.

Speaker 1 (45:59): That was the thing that bothered me because, as a scout, I was an assistant scoutmaster. I was an assistant everything, but I had to, you were required to move to the to up to the next stage to go and do a religious thing. And we were like

Unknown Speaker (46:16): Like, get baptized or what or just go to a church?

Speaker 1 (46:20): I just I just signed it. Put it in. Didn't care. Said no. I cheated and lied on that, and it still sticks with me now.

Unknown Speaker (46:29): Well, it's a Christian organization. So, I mean

Speaker 1 (46:32): Well, I what I wanted was, you had camaraderie. You had the ability to go out, and we camped and, you know, you hung out with a bunch of kids that were reasonably decent and their parents were, you know, they're they were they were not predominantly assholes. So, you know, and they I think they felt the same about us is that, you know and I was unemployed, so I had to do.

Speaker 0 (46:57): Well, it's a Christian organization. So that's probably why.

Speaker 1 (47:00): Yeah. I didn't I did not realize that it was that religious because when I was growing up, my brothers went into it, and all they did was camp. Yeah. Light off fireworks, make homemade fireworks, blow them up. They would eat incredible food.

Speaker 1 (47:14): They'd be filthy pigs for, you know, four or five days and then come back, and they were just just, you know, like when you see people come back from war and they got dirt on their head and their cheeks and everything. And you're like, holy crap. And they smelled. You know? And for in my neighborhood, in my neck in in that class of whatever level we were, for you to notice that somebody else smelled, they had to be really filthy.

Speaker 1 (47:41): Yeah. Because because everybody smelled a little bit.

Unknown Speaker (47:44): That's true.

Speaker 1 (47:45): Until we all got to be, I think, 13, and we got Old Spice, and then everybody smelled the same. Oh god. It was nasty. You know, I smell it now. I'm like, oh, you know, it's like FedEx driver and UPS driver.

Speaker 1 (47:57): They wear more cologne than god. You know, just you know, you know, you're supposed to spray it and walk into it. They just, like, drink it.

Unknown Speaker (48:06): Or deodorant. Use deodorant.

Speaker 1 (48:08): Yeah. And just that that it's it's cologne, you know. Well, that's it. Smells like cologne. Leave it alone.

Speaker 1 (48:16): You know? Yeah. That's what we say. Oh. But, yeah, when I think what what other stuff when you think I'm trying to think of the things that are important to me.

Speaker 1 (48:24): And for me, stuff more today is things that I've started that have grown like plants and trees. Trees to me are really, really important because it's something that I did something five, ten, fifteen, twenty, 25. I mean, I've been in this house for almost thirty, thirty years, since '98. So twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight years. And there are trees that I planted within two years that are now 30 feet high.

Speaker 1 (48:59): And it's to me, it's like that, that's important to me. I can't take that with me. But it to me, it's like a really, really cool thing. Know, I have like, just all sorts of things like that, that are living things, know, that are that are that are different. As far as objects, I mean, I don't take my car, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (49:24): I mean, I remember when I had the Boxster, I really liked it. It's really cool. I got I bought it in '96, I think when the Boxster first came out in '97. One of the years is the very first year I got it when there was only 200 and or there are thousand in The US, and I got one early. And it was silver like the James Bond, all that kind of stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (49:47): And I'd be driving and stopping at a stoplight. And I remember, because we lived over at Pomeroy Drive, And people got out of their car and at a stoplight and came over and said, what is that? Where did you get that? Would you sell that? And they asked me on the street that I had that.

Speaker 1 (50:08): Like, wow. I mean, it was it was just a wickedly cool car, and it was, like, $50. So, that item, I really, really liked. Now two weeks after I had it, we go over to your brother's your brother in law's over to Bert's house, and we pull into a parking lot in Safeway, and we go in and get some beer, whatever stuff that were taken over to them. We would get in, we go back over to his house, and he comes out.

Speaker 1 (50:36): And on the passenger side, somebody had had run into me, and they dented it all the way in. And he looks at the car, and he's got this is the coolest car I've ever seen. He walks around to the side. He stops, and his voice cracks. He goes, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (50:52): Oh my god. And he was like, I thought he was gonna cry. And I was just like, visibly. He was just visibly wiped out because it and I was like, whatever. Who fucking cares?

Speaker 1 (51:03): It's a car.

Unknown Speaker (51:05): Get it pulled out. You know? Who cares?

Speaker 1 (51:07): Yeah. I it's it's weird when you when you have items that you think I think in the house right now, there is a couch in the office that was my great grandmother's couch that I had re mama Grace. So that would be my great grandmother. My mother's

Unknown Speaker (51:24): tiger couch? Is that the same?

Speaker 1 (51:26): Yes. That's the tiger couch. Did not redone. That's That is something that matters to me, but only because I mean, if I took it and burned it tomorrow I mean, if you did it maliciously, would feel bad. But if but if something happened like the house burned down or something, I mean, I wouldn't, you know yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:42): Whatever. Because I'm I get I get less and less care about things. And I care more about things that matter. And most of the things that matter to me, actually, all things that matter to me are living, not not items that I can touch, you know, whether it's a gold tchotchke or, I mean, the maker's mark that's in those bottles, that represents a time and a place that I was some with someone and that is very important to me to keep that bottle sealed until I'm dead and hopefully, you guys will be drinking those at my funeral. You know?

Unknown Speaker (52:21): I'm trying to be Or I'll be drinking. Too since I moved out here. I don't want. You what? Low impact.

Speaker 0 (52:26): Because I don't want to accumulate like thousands of things and then I have to. Yeah. Deal with it. Moving again or you know or wherever it's going to go.

Speaker 1 (52:37): Well, you keep things that are important. You know?

Unknown Speaker (52:39): Yeah. And you

Speaker 1 (52:40): got You got a pair of gloves. You have something that that reminds you and and makes you feel human, makes you feel good, makes, other people feel good, things that you do. You know, I mean, for me, my my as far as things that I care about, you know, irrespective of family is my dogs, you know, and they're, as much as I hate them, I love them.

Unknown Speaker (53:06): So,

Speaker 1 (53:06): know, it's the parents that, you know, I I mean, I feel that the way about my dogs is the way I feel about you when you were a little kid, and you and you and you would you would go hiding in a in a department store and get and we couldn't find you. And I I I literally, in my mind, wanted to kill you physically when I caught you. But I wouldn't, but because of what you did and what you made me feel. But, you know, the whole idea that you're gone, I mean, that was that was the stress level. And then when he came back, I was like, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 1 (53:44): You're a fucking kid. That's what you guys do. You're just you're all animals. You know? That's why when people say, oh, so and so's mean or this or that.

Speaker 1 (53:52): I'm like, what'd do to set him off? Oh, he didn't get set off. What what happened? Did he eat yet? You know?

Speaker 1 (54:00): It's always like some arbitrary thing that you forgot to do that. And then occasionally, there is the psycho. You know, we had psychos when I was growing up too. They may not have had enough stuff. You're there yawning, man.

Speaker 1 (54:14): You're barely, you know, we got this up this morning. I know that you you just got back from here. You were here on Monday. And now it's Friday, Friday? Yeah, it's Friday.

Speaker 1 (54:24): That's another thing when you retire, you don't know what day it is. I think that adds to my Alzheimer's, you know, why you got to do this every day to see that you can do it. Anyway, when I think about other stuff that's important to me, it would be things that is important to other people, You know?

Speaker 0 (54:43): I just think about CubeSmart. I think about CubeSmart, you know, and U Haul.

Unknown Speaker (54:47): What's

Speaker 0 (54:47): that? And the whole market around hoarding in this American culture that we have. I don't even think in Europe that storage like this is really that big of a deal. Like you'll drive storage through Midwest and you'll see more storage units than like strip malls. It's the weirdest thing in the world.

Speaker 0 (55:06): Same thing with Oregon. Oregon has a ton. Well, Oregon's GDP is based on antique stores and I I have a firm belief in this and the the fact that you want to collect everything and hold on to everything is so interesting. I don't know. I think

Unknown Speaker (55:22): if you if you built it, then I would say. That's different. Makes a lot of sense to me.

Speaker 0 (55:26): Even if you're a woodworker or something.

Speaker 1 (55:27): Yeah. But if you did, if you didn't make it, you know, and if you bought it, then it's like, yeah, that's cool but.

Speaker 0 (55:33): Well, here's granddad's shoelaces and it's like, I don't, you know.

Unknown Speaker (55:38): Your grandfather died, and he had all those things, and it was belt buckled. He had his belt buckled, don't you?

Speaker 0 (55:44): It's somewhere in here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:45): Yeah. But is that I mean, it's sort of like it's I don't know. It's nice, but if if if you couldn't find it, you wouldn't you wouldn't have any, like, weird what do you call it? You wouldn't you wouldn't have any problems, would you?

Speaker 0 (55:59): Not really. I wouldn't say. It's a really nice belt buckle. I will say that. But the thing about the belt buckle in this belt that it goes on is the belt buckle falls off all the time.

Speaker 0 (56:10): Yeah. And I don't really get it. You know?

Unknown Speaker (56:13): Then it's worthless. Yeah. Throw it in the trash. Fuck it.

Speaker 0 (56:16): It like fits and then like when you go because it's like it has this clasp like this. Yeah. And then you slide it because it has two prongs over the sides like this. Yeah. But then, like, sometimes this shrinks and then it falls off.

Speaker 0 (56:32): And Sad. It's annoying. Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah.

Speaker 0 (56:36): Wow. Where that is actually funny enough. But no, I bought all my furniture from Home Depot on a $200 bundle where it was like a TV stand. Really nice.

Speaker 1 (56:45): Yeah, the couch and other stuff like that.

Speaker 0 (56:47): The couch and on the coffee table for like a

Unknown Speaker (56:50): Yeah, the couch. I had a bed. I had all this stuff and I was like, I don't want that. Throw it away. It's just like, I don't need it.

Unknown Speaker (56:56): It's all going. Well, that's what I

Speaker 0 (56:57): was thinking about. Was like, if I move tomorrow, I don't really care. List it all on Facebook marketplace called a day. Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 0 (57:04): Other than like the very few things.

Speaker 1 (57:07): Well, that was the cool thing about the beach house because we in 2010, we built a house. We didn't build it. We hired somebody to build it in, Rowth Beach, and we had it for ten years. And then we sold it, but we built it from scratch. And your mother and I was a path to build something together.

Speaker 1 (57:24): And it was a beautiful experience. And I miss it. I miss that object because that object was it's an intertwining of our relationship. And through the years how we've done things. We've been because we went to Rohit Beach every year that we since we've known each other, we dated and go there.

Speaker 1 (57:50): So it was this big thing. And then we had a house there, so then we went much more. But every year we would go and hang out and we built this house and that was a big thing. But when we left, we designed the house, we designed the furniture that went in the house for that house. The function was great.

Speaker 1 (58:10): It really worked. And all this stuff was all preset and physically designed for that place and the where it went in the room and all that kind of happy horseshit. So when it was like when we left, I mean, we left four or five bicycles up there. We left all these. We gave them everything.

Unknown Speaker (58:28): Thought that was

Unknown Speaker (58:29): weird that you gave them all the furniture because the furniture No, we did

Speaker 1 (58:32): not give them. We sold them the furniture. They wanted the furniture. Yeah. And we sold it because that's what made

Speaker 0 (58:38): it go over. Weird, though, because I was like, why would you sell them the furniture when this furniture is nicer than the stuff we have at home? I would have replaced everything that we had at home, but that's just me. Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:49): Well, the thing is is it was orange and our color scheme at home is not orange.

Unknown Speaker (58:54): That's it.

Speaker 1 (58:56): So we would have had to repaint. And then the the links of those, like, the the three stools

Unknown Speaker (59:02): Oh, you're right.

Speaker 1 (59:03): The three stools across the bar. You may not have known this, but the seats were purple, and that purple matched the pillows on the couches. Well, the couch You know that?

Speaker 0 (59:14): Was too long. That couch is really, really long.

Unknown Speaker (59:16): Oh, no. It's perfect. It was It was

Speaker 0 (59:18): too long for the the TV room.

Speaker 1 (59:21): It was a one piece lay down goes. Everybody loved it.

Speaker 0 (59:25): That was a nice I'm not saying that it was nice. I'm saying it would fit in your other house.

Unknown Speaker (59:29): Yes. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 0 (59:30): Yeah. It wouldn't fit properly.

Speaker 1 (59:31): We ended up getting one for here. So the this that long. It's a single

Unknown Speaker (59:36): Oh, in the living room.

Unknown Speaker (59:37): Not in

Unknown Speaker (59:37): the TV room, though.

Speaker 1 (59:38): Yeah. That's good. No. No. No.

Speaker 1 (59:39): It wouldn't work at

Unknown Speaker (59:40): Yeah. The TV

Speaker 1 (59:41): We still have that thing that we bought from, Mobley and oh my god. That is like a $14,000 couch that we bought That's crazy. In 2001. And here it is twenty six years twenty five years later, and it's still I mean, it's like the Jetsons. We had Jetsons furniture in there.

Speaker 1 (1:00:04): We have a Jetsons wall unit. It's everything

Unknown Speaker (1:00:06): Yeah. The green couch is the most uncomfortable couch I've ever sat

Speaker 1 (1:00:09): on my life. Ass, and, we should have got rid of it thirty years ago, five years before we bought it, but it was it is the coolest looking couch, and everybody remembers the couch probably because it is so painful to sit on and sleep on.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:24): It's the worst. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's the worst.

Speaker 1 (1:00:26): We don't care because we sit in our own chairs and look at you in pain and say, yes, you came to visit us. You deserve to suffer.

Speaker 0 (1:00:33): The love sack. We had the love sack for a while.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:36): That was so disgusting.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:37): At the end. Everybody slept on that.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:39): Yeah. And vomited on it.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:41): There's there's probably mold.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:42): Remember we had the the triple vomit that night?

Unknown Speaker (1:00:46): Triple. Oh, is it from the same person?

Unknown Speaker (1:00:51): Yeah. It was double. Oh. I think it was a double. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (1:00:53): I think it was a double. Wasn't it?

Unknown Speaker (1:00:54): It was a double, yeah.

Speaker 1 (1:00:55): I got him off and then he booted again. So, yeah. That was that was and cleaning up was just so much fun, you know?

Unknown Speaker (1:01:03): Yep. Yeah, that was great for me.

Unknown Speaker (1:01:06): But your mother took that apart.

Unknown Speaker (1:01:08): Watching that.

Speaker 1 (1:01:09): With help of the neighbor to put it in the back of the Subaru and.

Speaker 0 (1:01:12): You take it to the dump, right?

Unknown Speaker (1:01:14): Yeah, I took it right to the dump. It was it was bad. Was.

Speaker 0 (1:01:17): Try to sell it on Craigslist.

Unknown Speaker (1:01:19): Yeah. I mean, wow. You coulda had some of the DNA that was on that was, like, from everywhere. It's just like Well,

Speaker 0 (1:01:26): I remember we had, like, one time, like, a 25 person sleepover. And, like

Unknown Speaker (1:01:32): In '19, slept on that.

Speaker 0 (1:01:34): Yeah. There was like three people on that. There's a bunch of people on the floor.

Speaker 1 (1:01:37): You would get five on there in the max when you were smaller. And then it should get bigger and bigger. It got harder because you had to lay on each other and then there was always this groaning that, you know, Bobby's tissue needs in my mind. You know, and we would just shut the door.

Speaker 0 (1:01:53): Yeah. Those sleepovers when I was like 18, 19 were so funny. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (1:01:59): Throw a bottle of bourbon in there and leave.

Unknown Speaker (1:02:00): Yeah. We would have a.

Unknown Speaker (1:02:02): Then we hear you. Great parties.

Speaker 0 (1:02:06): Oh my gosh. I remember the the amount of smoke that used to be in the garage was crazy.

Unknown Speaker (1:02:10): God. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker (1:02:11): I couldn't even see going in there.

Speaker 1 (1:02:13): I had the smoke ender that that just sort of said, why are you doing this to me? I think we broke it. Got rid of it, painted it. I mean, that's that's probably one of the great changes of my life is taking the smoke that we had a smoke filter, a huge giant commercial one in the garage to to filter all the cigarette smoke and all the other weed smoke, cigar smoke, all that out. In reality, it worked well but we we were bad consumer.

Speaker 0 (1:02:44): So. The filter like once.

Speaker 1 (1:02:46): Yeah. I changed it, washed it. It was washable, serviceable, all that kind of stuff.

Unknown Speaker (1:02:50): Did you change it how many times?

Unknown Speaker (1:02:53): When it turned black.

Unknown Speaker (1:02:54): Oh, okay. So like

Speaker 1 (1:02:55): You just, it was metal. So you take it out and spray it off and put it back. It was kind of like a rack that you, like grease racks that are over kitchens, over the cooks, you know. But anyway, took it out, made it into a gem, and it's been probably one of the most healthy things I've done. I'm shocked

Unknown Speaker (1:03:10): it doesn't smell like smoke in there. I think that's crazy. Yeah. That makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (1:03:14): Well, that's Wow Paints. Wow.

Unknown Speaker (1:03:16): They sold their house or gone?

Speaker 1 (1:03:19): Yeah. Yep. He's gonna do our what is he?

Unknown Speaker (1:03:22): Where did he move to?

Speaker 1 (1:03:23): I think he's in DC. Is she still there?

Unknown Speaker (1:03:26): No. They sold that house.

Speaker 1 (1:03:27): I think they they they did the they did the split.

Unknown Speaker (1:03:31): Oh, really?

Speaker 1 (1:03:32): Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what the whole thing is. It's sad. You know?

Speaker 1 (1:03:36): You know, kids, dog.

Unknown Speaker (1:03:38): Oh, they had kids.

Unknown Speaker (1:03:40): Yeah. Oh, wow. Life break goes on.

Speaker 0 (1:03:44): Was the kid an adult now or what?

Speaker 1 (1:03:46): No. They had, like, 19 kids. I don't remember. I don't remember if they had any kids, so I have no idea. I remember they had a dog named Rosie.

Speaker 1 (1:03:53): That's what I remember.

Speaker 0 (1:03:53): Oh, really? How many what do we have for time on this? Do you know, mister Time?

Unknown Speaker (1:03:57): Oh, we've we're over an hour. We're fine.

Speaker 0 (1:03:59): Well, thank you guys for listening as always. Go check the website. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (1:04:04): If you could keep only one thing going on, that you want in the coffin when you die, what would it be?

Unknown Speaker (1:04:14): That's a great question. That's a really good question.

Unknown Speaker (1:04:17): Come on. Think about it. I can tell you.

Speaker 0 (1:04:26): Light in August by William Faulkner. Put that in there.

Unknown Speaker (1:04:29): You want what?

Speaker 0 (1:04:29): A book. Put that book in there.

Speaker 1 (1:04:32): It's something by William Faulkner.

Unknown Speaker (1:04:33): Light in August by William Faulkner. Put that in there. Good book.

Speaker 1 (1:04:39): Okay. I want a my March. I want. In case you're getting sent to hell. I want I want photos, family photos, the ones that

Speaker 0 (1:04:53): we took Photos one thing. Is multiple things.

Unknown Speaker (1:04:56): It's just a few things. And I and I

Unknown Speaker (1:04:59): thing, though.

Speaker 1 (1:05:00): I want a family picture of me and you and and Hefsabar. That's what I want. Those are the things that and I have the gun to protect it, and I have that. And then maybe maybe the bottle of bourbon for Killy. You guys can you guys can drink the bottle from Machu Picchu.

Speaker 1 (1:05:21): You put the bottle for Kelly in with me because I want I want to give people a reason to dig me up. Or if you dig up a coffin and you're grave robber, you know, oh my god, a bottle of bourbon. This is great. You know, that kind of stuff. But other than that, I I don't really have any.

Speaker 1 (1:05:35): I used to have a silver dollar that I had that my grandfather gave me

Unknown Speaker (1:05:40): Mhmm.

Speaker 1 (1:05:40): In the early late seventies. But that's one of the many things that have been stolen is gone.

Unknown Speaker (1:05:51): Thieves. Yeah. Thieves out there, aren't there?

Unknown Speaker (1:05:54): Yeah. Alright. So

Unknown Speaker (1:05:56): We'll talk to you later.

Speaker 1 (1:05:58): Talk to you later. Hang on to your stuff because stuff is important.

Speaker 0 (1:06:02): Sure.

Speaker 1 (1:06:03): It is. But but live stuff is the most important.

Unknown Speaker (1:06:07): Yes.