Episode 127: Shoes

0:09 Welcome back to another episode of Record, my father. Gosh, 127 of these feeling great. Yeah, we're talking about shoes today and I was thinking about this 'cause I don't know how many of you out there have wide feet, but my pinky toe goes underneath my foot. And I, I was wearing these, these Solomon shoes, the the popular Solomon GTX shoe in Japan earlier this year and we were clocking about 20,000 steps a day and my pinky toe was just going underneath my ring toe. I guess is the ring toe exist probably and just had the biggest, biggest blister on it.

0:51 But yeah, as I get older, I don't know. I've really high arches too. My ring tone goes under my my other one. Yeah. I mean you got the higher arches for me because I'm like when I used to walk like wet foot on a on a carpet or on a tile floor, I would leave 2 pads when I stepped like the front of your suit and the back. That's how high my arch was. The middle arch never touched. There was no even line. And as I got older and fatter, the line started to develop and then it developed into the rest of the foot on the side. And now it's a whole thought, you know, fat flat foot. But I had but I mean, it's like, whoa, you see the difference in and, and you know, just in that. And I remember that and you know, and The funny thing is, is like my, my my foot size was a lot smaller than now it's like 47, you know, when I'm.

1:47 Standing at work my feet hurt more than other people 1 cause of a weak person but also I just feel the ball of my foot and then the front of my foot. I don't feel the middle at all. Touch the shoe. No, there isn't. At all. And I'm like, gosh. Makes for great runners. Yeah, that is true. Which I was at one time. You know, I, I, I don't know. I wouldn't say great. I'd say above average is above average is a 5 minute mile above average. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like a lot of 18 year olds could just do that no problem. I don't know, you know. Well, it, I mean, it's, it's like, I have no idea what's average, average mile, what's. But shoes, what what I I'm a loafer guy. Later in life here at the age of 26, really old and I started wearing, oh gosh, what is it the, the Ferragamo loafer about 7 years ago.

2:42 And that's a lifetime shoe. That's a lifetime shoe there. Say what you will about designer, I think it's BS personally, but Ferragamo, those, the leather on the shoe, fantastic. There's also, oh gosh, the brown ones I have that I can't remember. OK, here we go. Very, very good. The average mile time for an 18 year old male varies significantly by fitness level, ranging from beginner's time of 8 minutes to a high level recreational time of under 5 minutes. On average, an 18 to 1330 year old male runs a mile in approximately 7 minutes and 30 seconds so. Wow, OK, wow. Competitive is 6 or faster. But when you're thinking about mile times, getting 30 seconds off is hard.

3:28 Like, right? When you're thinking about running times in general, one second off is yeah, exactly. How do you do it better the next time? The next time? I mean, it's, well, when you think about it, it's isn't it Like it's like weightlifting? Yeah, you can, you can you start out with your little curls and stuff like that or your press? Like you do your bench press and you do, you just do the bar and you put, when you do your 45 LB bar and you do that a bunch of reps. And then the next set you do, you put 5 lbs on the end, 10 lbs on the end, 20 lbs on the end, 25 lbs on each end. Then you're doing 100 lbs. And then it's like, OK, so then you get it in depending upon whatever your strength level is, you start adding 2 1/2. He started paying 5-10 each time to. But I I'm more of a Rep guy so I don't know how we went from shoes to weightlifting but.

4:18 I mean, you wear shoes while you weightlift, don't you? I mean, that's that's. That's that's one of the things I'm being sold on. I, I don't, I subscribe to the Arnold Pump Club and they sent out a, like a weekly e-mail and it's always be points to scientific studies to prove what type of things you should do for physical activity and all these different things and want to. And one of the things they talk about is shoes and say that, that the problem with a lot of people that are just, hey, I'm going to go to the gym workout. What are you wearing a track shoes? Well, that's not what you're supposed to do because you're not running Your, your, your, your, your feet and your ankles are up higher than the front balls of your feet.

5:00 When you when you're weightlifting, you want flat shoes, you want 0° rise in the front or the back because you want the whole set of your foot lifting the weight, right, I mean. Somewhat true. It's. Just it's just logical, you know, and you might want a little more bounce on the, I mean, I don't whatever the side, you know. And so they sell shoes. Of course they tell you what's the best ones. That, I would say is that you have the squat shoes, which have a heel on them so that you can go deeper. Yeah, so that you can squat deeper if your flexibility and your hamstrings isn't there, which is. Yeah, I don't have it either, which is why you know that wooden board, the angled wooden board, which makes you, allows you to go deeper.

5:41 We have a couple discs We we have a little squares that they're lift and you got one for each foot and it allows you to stand on them. There you go. Yeah, exactly. That works. That works, you know. Well, I wore skate shoes for a long time too. I think about that for like 13 years. I think about that a lot and how growing up skateboarding and how what I why I wear the clothes I wear now is definitely heavily influenced by that and how skateboarders influenced largely in the majority of a lot of fashion in the US and worldwide. I think so. Well, they did. They did, yeah. I mean in your group of people that you deal with, right? Well, you know how Carhartt became something huge, became a luxury brand two years ago? People were wearing Carhartt 8 years ago in skateboarding people were Carhartt was actually sponsoring skateboarders and sending new clothes. So it like the double knee clothes or? 'Cause you're the cool dudes.

6:37 Exactly. Everybody wants to be a skateboarder until they turn 30 and then that's not cool anymore, you know, like that's, that's what it's all funny. Well. Then you have no knees, you have no knees, you have no ankles. Your wrists are messed up. And and I, I just like today. I, I mean, I'm 66, when I get up in the morning and I walk, I can feel until I get moving a little bit. My ankles are stiff. My, all my bodies are stiff. I mean, all the different joints and everything and they're just. And yeah. But back to shoes. Couple shoe stories. I mean, shoes. I, I remember the earliest pair. What's the earliest pair of shoes you can remember you had? I remember the earliest pair of shoes was when I was in 4th grade and mom got a recommendation from Debbie Hughes to go to this place called Shoe Train and we went to Shoe Train because apparently they had a.

7:31 Shoe train called shoe train. I don't know why. And the guy tied my shoes there. I got to talk to her about that actually and see if she remembers that because I remember that so prolifically of them trying my shoes on for the first time and tying them. Whereas before, I think when you're a a child or a toddler, it's kind of like, well, his chicken nugget foot looks about that size. Let's get him a chicken nugget and. Then we just stick it on you and you know, if it's, it's got room for growth, room for growth. That's what they always say room for growth. It's like, because if you don't get room for growth, it you'll be, you'll be giving away new shoes, you know, but I, I'm not my first shoes were go to the store shoes were Jeepers and they were tennis shoes and I got them at Sears and Sears had a sit down shoe department.

8:22 And that is the first time that I had a person bring me shoes and put them on my feet and measure my feet. And it was like an experience. I think it was 7 or 8, you know, And I just all of a sudden I thought we were rich when we were, we were not, obviously. And. Obviously. Well, The thing is, is like, I mean, that's The funny thing about poverty and being rich and stuff is like if you live in a neighborhood and all the houses are the same, which is pretty much what we did, and all the people have maybe 1020, they might have nicer clothes than you or maybe a nicer car than you or something like that. But you know what? If it's so freaking rich, what are they doing living across the street from you?

9:05 Yeah, you know, so. So at some point, you, you, you in life, you will recognize that. You don't recognize that when you're a kid, you're always like, Oh my God, little Johnny got a full bag of army men. And all I got was this little I got AI got a hot dog to eat, you know, or whatever the hell it is. You know, it's always something. So there's always and chasing the brands, you know, you had to have when I was growing up, Converse were a big deal. Chuck Taylors were a big deal. Wasn't Chuck Taylor converse? It's not the same thing. I I don't know, maybe Chuck Taylor's is part of a converse, one of their brands, but you had to there were there was Converse was the company. Chuck Taylor was the brand.

9:45 It's kind of like. I see. I see. Nike is the brand and and Michael Jordan is the shoe. Yeah. And then you have the Athena or things like that. Yeah. Yeah, and all the other things. And then he's got all the sub brands because he's, you know, made Nike pretty much, you know, when you start to look at it, that that's what drew people there. But I think about through the years, the shoes I wore, I mean, I wore boots for a long, long time. And, and I, I got to tell you, work in construction. You get up in the morning, the first thing you do in the morning put on your boots and you got to lace them up and you got lace and you got the little, the little, your little Criss crosses the hook and you hook and you hook. Any time at the top, you double knot them and you go to work and you're working those boots. And when they're new, you get blisters and you get wet. If you get, if you get crappy boots, they don't last a season, but you make them last a season.

10:38 So the last, you know, the little bit of the season your, your feet get torn up. And the season was summer. Because this is when I was, you know, or, or when I didn't, when I when I worked through the winter, that was that that was one of those epiphanies about realizing that this isn't what I want to do. What did you? Yeah. What did you? Do in the winter construction. What was that like? Mostly I'm going to say the different ones I did were I worked asphalt, you worked in the shop and you cleaned everything and you washed the trucks and you did all the stuff like that and you and you ground up the asphalt in the yard to get it ready for the spring for when you could lay the asphalt.

11:29 Anytime you could lay asphalt you would if you could do pot, if it was a warm enough day, you could, you could, you could do potholes, but there was always something. But even that we only worked until I think I worked till November, mid November when I work concrete. I got, I ended up working probably until early December. And we would, we would, if it was going to be a good day, we would pour. And I got to tell you, and I think it had to be 45 or 50 or something like I don't remember the exact temperature to pour concrete. And you would get it more liquid. So it would wouldn't set up as fast because if you had heavily slump is what they used to call it is the higher the slump, the more liquid the concrete we would get like a lower slump.

12:20 I mean, one of the other you would get it. So you would be more liquid. So you can move it around in the forms and stuff like that. And they still try to do houses as many as they could in the winter. And this is in the early, early 80s when interest rates were really high. So everybody was, you know, they didn't want to do block wall because block wall took three weeks and a, a poured wall took three days. You know, and you figure an insurance, I mean, you figure an interest rate. It's, it's a lot of money because you're talking $100,000 piece of property sitting idle for an extra 3 weeks. So it made it, it made a huge difference. It was concrete was hot.

13:00 Poured walls were just immediate. And you still see it to this day. It's it's, it's it's most people build that I've seen in the neighborhoods, in the houses, they do poured walls because it's faster. And also I'm not sure if it's not stronger either, but I'm imagining that it is because solid concrete's more much stronger than block, right. And block is one guy laying one block at a time, or 10 guys playing each day in 10 blocks. Whereas poured concrete, you hook up the forms, you poured a concrete down the middle, you take the forms off the next day, you know? Yeah. I mean, you got to be. It's a little more than that, but. Just a little, little more than that.

13:42 I remember there was one pair of shoes, the Nike Lucas Puke ADV, that I wore for a year and a half, two years. Maybe the longest shoe I ever wore in my life. Now, a year and a half and kid times, what's that like? Well, I was skating in these shoes, so it was 19 or 18/18/18 or 19 and I wore those shoes because they never tore. And the Lucas White. 'Cause you had a white pair, but you had a brown pair. I remember brown pair you had. Yeah, they were Adidas, Lucas Bug ADV, Adidas best skate shoe ever made. I will endorse that 100% 'cause I don't know what it is about. It's a low shoe, it's a gum sole. But at the same time, for for some reason, the construction of the shoe is good.

14:26 Also, never buy shoes on Amazon, ever. Never do that, 'cause I was doing that and I bought a Lucas Bug ADV on Amazon and it was falling apart in all these different ways. And I'm like, that means that Adidas is not the distributor there. Oh. Remember when we went to Vietnam? Yeah, in the. You had shoes made and they were, and that's where Nike makes their shoes. And you're like, we can make any Nike brand. We'll make it just like, you know. And so we're like one of the leather pair of tennis shoes. Remember, they made you a leather pair of tennis shoes. Yeah, and they were the worst things ever. No support, nothing. They were just they they looked OK. They didn't even look that good. No, they didn't. Yeah, they were. But it was, it was an experience. They built them. They made them in a day. Yeah, that is true.

15:07 Yeah, that is a good point. Also a jacket. It made me a shirt and pair of pants in a day. It was kind of interesting too, that I think they were more, I think Vietnam's more textile, more clothing than it. Is. Oh yeah, absolutely. Gobbling for sure. I think that that is definitely. I thought there was a huge, there was a they were saying that if I remember there we were in way there were, there's a Nike factory there. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, so there was there was a Nike factory there. And that's what that was one of the reasons like, wow, these people work at Nike and here. And I'm thinking like, well, you know, if they're working at Nike, they ain't working here. Well, The funny thing about that too, is I'm reading that Shoe Dog book right now that came out in 2015 about Phil Knight. And it's, well, it's not about him. It's his memoir, right? And he's talking about, he's establishing his first thing in Taiwan right now.

15:52 But even when they were like a $5,000,000 company, they had that money. It was so weird. Like I don't know why 'cause like the, the bank kicked them out for overdrafting on opening this new factory, All of the employees paychecks bounced in the new factory. And he's like, I had to go back and fix this. We had to go get a loan from Japan. And I'm like, there was a lot of financial error and, and like in the creation of Nike, even when they were like making $10 million a year. Yeah, but 10 million is not that much. In the 80s. Really. No, no. I mean it was it, it's. In the 70s it's a good size. Company, but it's not like, you know, I'm thinking in the 80s to get to 10 million that would mean you would need 100 employees. Oh, fair enough.

16:46 That's a lot of SO. It's not that big. It's. A lot of shoe sales too, if you think about it. Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, 10 million times. Let's say they're 50. Bucks, I think they were selling them for like 2550 or something. OK, Yeah. I mean, if you think at that level, you're saying let's do this calculator here because that's what we do here, because we only work in fact. Right Only in fact, yeah. Record of my father fact podcast only about. 10 million divided by what'd you say, 25? 2550, yeah. 400,000. Shoes. Oh my gosh, yeah. Divided by. Getting shit from Japan too is crazy 'cause I was their manufacturer. That's that's 1000 pair a day.

17:27 Wow. Is that crazy? Yeah. But how many stores? You know, they have 100 stores. So that's really. They didn't have that many stores, Really. Yeah, Not if they're not. If they're making that, if they're making 5,000,000 bucks, you don't have a. $100 I think they have like 7 stores or something at this time. Maybe they're distributing through all the others. You know Nike was distributing through, you know 3. 1000 colleges as well. They would go to colleges and find the track coach and then sell it to the track. Like they did that at the college that Phil Knight went to, and I can't remember off the top of my head, it's Oregon because he had Refontaine there, who then tragically died in a car accident. Refontaine was one of the first Nike people where he died. Yeah.

18:09 And he wore them to, I can't remember. It was 1980 something Olympics. Was he the one that did the mile in 4 minutes? Yeah. He was, yeah, he was one of the fastest mile times at all. I don't. Know and we were talking about 5 minutes being wow fast. Yeah, like he was like 401 or something did. He bust the four. Maybe he maybe he busted the four in that. 'Cause there was somebody that broke the four that made it all like, well, it doesn't matter now. 315, who cares? Yeah. If you bring more and you're like, whoa, exactly. When every second matters. I mean, as you get as you get higher and higher. It was the same thing I was that that's what I was alluding to with the weight. Is it once you get to where you can't do any more, adding an ounce becomes like 1000 lbs.

18:53 Adding shaving off a half a second, you know, you talk to, you start, you hear people swimming and they're, they're, you know, when they're in the high school, they're shaving off tenths of a second. Nope. You're like, whoa, whoa. So you are like, you know, highly, highly, highly competitive. When was the? Last time you swam I can't even remember. I didn't swam the last time we were in water. For I don't even remember the last time I was in water. I don't like getting wet anymore, you know, like I. Don't mind it in the beach, but I mean, I, I wouldn't. Yeah.

19:36 Well, at beach it's salt. It's salt water. So. And I mean, your beach sucks out there 'cause it's cold as hell. Well, it's full of sewage run off too, and that's the. Problem. I don't care about that actually. Superhuman. But no, I I don't. Toxic Avenger, That's a great. Movie. I need to watch that. You got to watch Toxic. Avenger. It's cold out here though. Like we went to Carmel, CA in 2022 and we swam there and it's even colder in the north and it was an overcast day and it was in the 60s. That's lower than that. I think it's, I think it was like 58 or something or 57. No, we the ocean out there is like in the 60s where is it can get up to like 72 or 73. Yeah, yeah.

20:20 This was, this was really cold. This was really. Which is, which is cold, but if it's 85 outside it, you can get in and out of it. And I found that when I'm in, when water is like, I just hold my hands up. If you hold your hands out, 'cause one of the things that, yeah, I, I learned about cooling off and heating up is that you run the water over your wrist, 'cause you have the Blues, blood moves out throughout your body and that cools you really, really quickly. But oh, shoe story when we started talking about this, I got a ping from a a a buddy of mine from when I worked in intelligize Chris Wilunas, and he had a shoe story and I don't I'm going to tell it incorrectly, I know, but I remember that I forgot he was having a really bad day. I forgot what happened and everything went South and he was upset about something and I don't remember. And this is in the early days.

21:20 So this has been like 2010, 11-12, something like that. So like 1520 years ago, you know, when we just start now. And he was a researcher and, and he was working for Intelligize and I was there. I, I started right after that. I was already an advisor, but I wasn't like working. But he was having a bad day. So the CEO, Gary Sanga took him out and took him to the shoe store and bought him a pair of shoes. And it was like Gucci shoes. And I mean, of all the things in the world that you would imagine that somebody would do, it was like it, it, it just, it didn't make sense. It's like, give him a piece of party. You know, it's all these other things that and but that was the most unusual thing that I've ever thought of or her. And you know, it's like you, you bought them shoes and they were they were Gucci.

22:09 They were not like he was so proud. They were just the coolest pair and wow, amazing. I will say that we. Still tell that story to this day as as I'm doing right now. Exactly. A good loafer goes a long way. A good loafer goes a long, long way. There is something biochemically made-up in your head that when you dress well, that you can perform well. I think that that's true. And if you have, it's not even, you know, what was interesting is a, a podcast episode that I came up with idea that we might do next time is the difference between faith and trust. And it's like, so somebody the other day did this to me where it was like, oh, but you have faith in your car that the brakes will work. And I'm like, no, I have trust because I know how brakes are made.

22:59 There's not. Faith is something that that you have. It's not based on evidence. The trust that I have is based on that. I've used these breaks 100 times before and I can see them working. That's not faith. And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking. Faith, Faith. Is you believe that there's a guy in the sky? You could say that faith is. Because there's no, there's no evidence that he exists, OK. It's blind trust, that's what it is. It's blind trust. It's. It's it is, it is believing and something without evidence. I believe that on the other side of Mars that there is a candy factory that makes the Mars bars and we don't know about it.

23:46 So I have faith that it's there. That is faith. OK, because there's no evidence that it's there, but there's no evidence that it's not 'cause people say there's no evidence that it's not, or you can't explain this. And when you can't explain something, that just means that science hasn't figured it out yet. OK. I think that's. All that means too confused. Way too much nowadays. Yeah, way, way too much. Well, you also see the disillusion of the OR the dissolving of church and state, which is great, I love that. But as I think about that. Is that everywhere or is that mostly just it seems like it's, it's been a big, it's been a big push here for the last.

24:28 I think, I don't know, I I think that people use religion as a control mechanism for. Other Oh yeah, and a money maker. Same thing. The way the NFL works, Same, same thing. Anything works like that? NFL sell food. Yeah, 100%. But I mean, that's the funniest commercial they have is when they say we do this just to sell food and you're like, you know. $40 hot dog. I mean, it makes sense. Yeah. You know, $40 hot dog. But shoe wise, I remember getting track spikes for the first time and my time changed drastically. Yeah, that mattered. It's crazy. They really do change, especially with cross country spikes as well.

25:10 I'm surprised I never rolled my ankle in those, you know? Yeah, you know I never. Because there's just nothing to them. Yeah, it's just webbing on top and then carbon fiber. Oh yeah. Under sole or whatever it is, yeah. I think we threw those away. Yeah. I have, what is it Ultras? I think now the, and they are, they're, they're pretty much designed for old people that have wide toe boxes and there's zero rise in the front of the back. So your foot is flat. So it's easier for people like me that are flat footed now in our, in our advanced age. I'm 6/6 and I'm, I need one more 6 and I'm done. You know, but, but yeah, so, so for me, it's like they, it's, it's, it's a shoe that you try on that's immediately comfortable, which is rare.

26:10 You know, I think about the different shoes I have. I have a pair of fried boots. I, I really, really, really like them. I like to wear them. I absolutely hate to take them off and I hate to put them on because I got a damn near unleash lace them all the way and I got to pull. I mean, it's just, and usually at the end of the day when you're tired. I mean, that was the cool thing about construction boots. At the end of the construction, at the end of the day, you just you untop the tie, you untie the knot at the top and then whoosh, you drop it drops down 4 lace areas and then you can just pop the shoe off and then you to put it on in the morning. You put it on, you tighten the lace and then you go up through the little whatever those little hangout things that.

26:56 Oh, I see what you're talking about. You know what I'm talking about. They the, the lace goes through on each side up three or four of those and then you tie it at the top and then you're done. And it's like, that is so, I mean, convenience is just an amazing thing when especially for footwear, 'cause it's like it's, it's I, I want really cool looking, but also I want comfort to some level. I'm not, I haven't bought into the whole female side of the thing where if it actually hurts amazing a lot that it must be good looking, you know? Well, Speaking of that, I rediscovered what Chinese foot binding is recently. You ever, you ever hear that? Oh my, I saw photos and I'm like, Oh my gosh, 'cause when I they taught us that for some reason in elementary school about Chinese foot binding.

27:45 And I remember that and they're like, yeah, they used to bind their feet. I'm like, oh, they used to like, like just. In Japanese? Japanese was it? No, it's Chinese. I'm pretty sure. Really. Let's see. Let's let's Google here. Hold on, Chinese football. I'm 90% sure it was Chinese. Chinese foot binding was a painful centuries old practice. Let's see, did the Japanese do foot binding too? A lot of them did. A lot of the Asian countries did. What binding was a painful Chinese custom from the Sung dynasty 10th century to the early 20th century, where young girl's feet were broken and tightly wrapped to create tiny Lotus feet? No, the Japanese did not practice foot binding.

28:27 Oh, it was a Chinese tradition. Ha ha ha. They started binding their there's doing, you know, binding and where they push the toes underneath, breaking the bones, wrapping them with clock to prevent growth, to achieve feet around 3 or 4 inches long. Yeah, there's photos, yeah. I don't understand how you walk like that. I don't really get it, 'cause it's like your whole foot is like a it's a wedge, basically. It looks like a wedge. There's no toes or anything it. Became a prerequisite for marriage. Yeah, it can. It will confine women at home. I mean, it did all the things that you would think and it. But after China fell in 1911 and stronger bands after the communist revolution in 49, some rural areas still did it in the 30s.

29:17 It's now seen as barbaric. You know, when are they going to stop doing circumcision? Oh my gosh, whacking guys, little wee wee's, you know, because somehow that's it's, you don't want your guy to have an anteater, you want him to have a helmet. Well, there's the whole thing too, that it's like a father's like, well, mine should look like his, right? Mine should look like his. And also, if you talk to the majority of women in the world, they don't like the uncut. It's true. Yeah, I was going to say. The majority of women thinks it looks weird unless they're from Europe. Unless they're from Europe. I actually know somebody that had has changed. No, he didn't in. His late 20s. Oh my God.

29:58 And I'm like, no way, he said. It was the most painful thing he ever did. I would never do that. I wouldn't. Never because he had an anteater and and he said every girl was just freaked out by the anteater. And I'm like, really? Because he came to the US and he came from, you know, Eastern Europe and he was like, whoa, that's crazy. But the fact he would tell me this is even funnier. But good friends, you know, Yeah, yeah, I know. I have a lot of people that tell me shit. That's just, that's the reason I have I can talk now and tell all these stories and, you know, there's there's minimal embellishment, believe me. Minimal, Minimal, minimal, minimal. You know what I remember shoe wise? I remember the Vibrams where you had the toes in each pocket. It was like 5 toe shoe.

30:43 Was that? Shoes. Or was that socks? Those were. Socks I guess first. Oh, yeah. And then they had, they had the foot ones that people would wear to the gym and you'd look at them like, all right, monkey boy. Yeah, I always love to. I, I would love to wear a pair of those just to see what they're like, you know, I don't know. I I. Before those came along, they had socks and girl. They were like girl socks that they covered individual toes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think that's the. Women have always had, I mean, for some reason men want to destroy their feet, you know? There's something about. They got to be taller, they got to be on stilts, they got to wear this, They got to wear the weirdest. It's like every single fashion designer who designed shoes as a man. Isn't that kind of weird?

31:27 The. Majority of them are like, it's very strange. Oh, we should make them comfortable. What? I know. I mean, you make a billion dollars if you made a comfortable woman champion. Well, you, you, you have well, but you have the mentality. I think that there's a lot of women that that that think and have been sold for hundreds of years that standing on spiky things makes them sexier because they're taller. And if they weigh a little more, it makes them thinner. You know, there's all these things that have been pounded into little girls heads forever that say, hey, you don't look good if you don't, if you don't have high heels, if you don't have this, if you don't have that and you look at them and you're like, Ari mean you ever put high heels on?

32:13 No, no, I mean, my mom had the Cladato Hawk. She was, she had size 10 so I could put my foot in her shoe and stand. And it was like me stand on a skateboard, same thing, which is exactly the same thing. It was just like, are you kidding me? How in the world? And then when you see people walk fast and then like DC, they have a, they have a race and it's in DuPont and they have all of the, what do you call it, all of the servers. They come and they gave them like two or three glasses of champagne and they put it on, you know, on a carrier, you know, whatever plate, whatever they they and then they have a, a race and each one of them has high heels on and they have a race to see if they can, you know, whoever wins, I guess, I don't know, wins champagne or whatever the hell it is, but it's a big deal.

33:12 It happens every year. It's like it's the something I don't, I can't even think about it. It's ADC spiked till champagne race or something. That's kind of a. That almost reminds me of the Oktoberfest ones where, yeah, they stack all the beer glasses and they have to walk around with the beer glasses on it. You know what I'm talking. About This is the High Heel Race is an annual iconic event Dupont Circle neighborhood Washington typically held on Tuesday before Halloween. It features costume drag Queens and community members racing down 17th St. while wearing high heels. The event is a major celebration of the annual race.

33:55 Competitors are costume. Drag. Is it on pride? It sounds like it would be a pride day thing. That's what it sounds like. It's the week before Halloween. I don't know what I don't know. Pride. I think that is that is pride, right? No Pride's in the summer. Pride's in the summer. Must be, must be. Yeah, yeah. Well, this is interesting when you start to look at all the different things that, you know, are based on it and that we don't. I mean, what are what? I mean American shoes, when you think about wonderful shoes, I think of Italian leather. I mean, the ones I have, I have a pair of Santorini, something like the Santolini, something like that Italian shoe loafers that are really nice. And then of course I have my What are the Lamborghini ones? Oh, Lamborghini ones.

34:42 Not Gucci. Ferragamo. Oh yeah, you do. Yeah, I think I have the same issue. So we can, you know, Father, son. I didn't realize you had the same. I thought you had Gucci ones for some reason. Oh, Gucci. Yeah, it was Gucci. I got I, I guess it was Gucci. It's whatever the the wife may be by Charleston. And I bought them and I wore them once and they're sitting and I, I, I mean, I have my, you know, what is it? Wife killer shoes? You don't know Maglys. Yeah, yeah. You know what advice I gave myself recently? Well, just wear them. Just wear them. Just wear it. Just wear that thing. Wear that thing that you think is too fancy to wear. Wear it. Just do it. Just just wear it 'cause they're shoes. 'Cause you'll never wear them if you don't do it. And it's an object.

35:26 It's an object in your head, your manifestation of oh, this is too expensive to wear, then you will never wear it. My first wedding every 10 years. Yeah, I had the light brown ones, the one that OJ Simpson used to always wear and all of his things, and they became known as the wife killer shoes. And then I had bought a pair when my wife and I went to Italy. And this is before he hacked his wife up. So and I and I wore them. I loved them. Great. And then after I wore them, she's like, you sure you should wear those? Yeah, I was thinking about chopping your head off the night, dear, but I guess I can't wear my shoes, so it's not going to happen. You ever see the interview with him in the, what is it, the news reporter? And she was like, oh, I was 10 minutes late to my meeting with OJ, and he decided to surprise me. And she opens the door and he has a knife and he's like. No.

36:22 He's out, dude, and this is real. It's crazy. It's super crazy. Oh my gosh. And this is. Before Is this after he whacked his? Wife. Yep. After. Oh wow. After Yeah. They said he almost cut her head off. Yeah, and now he's dead. He's dead now. Yeah, well, they went. They pursued him forever after that, you know. He never really recovered well. He got arrested a second time 'cause he was stealing his own football card out of somebody's house. No, no hotel, hotel room. He went to a hotel room 'cause people had his memorabilia, they had his football, they had a a, you know the one he did 2000 yards and they had his helmet and then they had a bunch of his other stuff and it was stolen, he believed.

37:11 And so he shows up at the hotel room with a gun. Not a not a not I mean. Especially after you're already off for murder. Not a not a good idea. And he got and and usually, you know, Grand Theft Auto or grand larceny, which is what it was. And there was a question about intent that the gun wasn't loaded or whatever, that most people would have got a whole lot less. But the judicial system want wanted to punish him 'cause he got away what every what a lot of people believe was murder and but I mean. Do you think you did it? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there's just too much, there's too much evidence that points towards it.

37:54 The problem is we had, well, it, well, it's becomes questionable because the evidence they had nowadays that I'm looking at what's happening in the judicial system and like even at the Department of Justice where they're manufacturing stuff and they're finding out years later that police withheld stuff prominently for black people. Oh yeah? Well, that's the whole Bob to. Keep them in jail, you know, or to try them. And it's like, hey, you killed this person. It's like I wasn't there. And then they're like, well, we're not going to let your witnesses speak. No jury of your peers. You know, and then, well, can I have adna test? Well, now 3, five years later, it's like, well, the DNA that, you know, the guy raped her wasn't his, you know, and they're like, oh. Exactly.

38:40 There was that guy that was falsely imprisoned for 10 years, Yeah. There's not. It's not there's. There's like a hundreds, thousands of. People and it and it's and it's a rarity when one of the falsely imprisoned is a white person. Damien Echols, There you go. You know, so you got one. Yeah, I mean, that's the that's the sad thing is, is that our system is just so based upon it's wins. But it The thing is, is it seems, well, it's case it's. Closed. That's what it is. That's what it's all about. As case is closed because it's. Also remember it's case is taken. I thought it was case. You don't have to take a case. Yeah. I mean, I have to as a as a prosecutor, if you've done something wrong, I have to recommend it to a grand jury. OK, If I don't recommend that Zac Brown, white Lily white rich kid goes to grand jury.

39:37 It don't happen if if people, unless I get outside pressure, I push the grand jury, it comes back. Well, OK, I prosecute at that point, depending upon how much money and how many attorneys you have. And I'm not going to, I'm not going to refer something to grand jury that I think I'm going to lose, right? That's a good point. And, and The thing is, is that I can put three people, 3 black people on death row for every 1 white person I can put away for five years. I mean, that's just fact. You know, you can look at whatever you want in the judicial system, but we tend to believe that we that for some reason that that's that's and it's like, why is that? You know that.

40:23 And So what are you going to do? Who are you going to do? I mean, if you're a prosecutor, you're going to indict the black guy first only because you're based on wins. And if you withhold evidence five years from now when you had found DNA at the scene and you didn't want to do ADNA test and you kind of hit that shit if you get caught, you know what they say what shouldn't have done it bad guy, they let you, they let the black guy free and then or they might after he fights for trial or something like that, but nothing happens to the prosecutor there. There's no, there's no prosecutorial background justice where they, I mean, it seems to me that if I hid evidence that made you go to jail for years, my ass should be in jail for at least a good percentage of the amount of time that you were in jail, because it might put you personally in jail. You know, and you see this all the times where the cops lie. You know, it's not like, and, and everybody has got this overwhelming trust and it's like, I don't, I, I don't, I don't, I don't believe them.

41:31 I don't trust them. I don't think there's anything anymore that they do. They're, they're, I think they're no different than anybody else out there. Yeah, no, I I completely agree. I get paid on wins. Guess what? I'm going to help you win. Yeah, it's a it's an industry like any other. It's definitely an industry like any other where it's a money making industry. It's also an extension of slavery, 'cause they always take these people in the low socioeconomic classes where they also don't even have access, really easy to win any of their files or any sort of personal information. And then they make them disappear. And I mean, yeah. And what is it, $60,000 per prisoner or something that they make a year off them? Crazy.

42:11 Think about that crazy. But flip flop wise, I got lucky. Flip flops, Yeah, two years ago. I'm not going to lie, it took a long time to break them in. I don't think I got them fully broken in until this last year. Like maybe no, not even this last year. 4 months ago, four months ago, they finally got broken. And when we went to Mongolia and 'cause you know what it felt like. They're flip flops. They're flip flops. I've never liked the big toe thing sticking down the middle between my big toe and my. That doesn't. Bother me. My nose picker toe well bothers me. That one. Is the iron nose picker toe? It's a longer one. I like that. I'm looking at mine right now. I do like that mine are huge, but what was it?

42:53 Yeah, the second one can get all the way in your nose. The first one can. It just bounces. Yeah, it feels like grip tape on the underside of my foot that these flip flops, for like the first year and a half I had them like it. You just get. Chafing, and I don't know about you, but I've never been chafed on the bottom of my foot from flip flops. I find that ridiculous. That's super absurd. I have. What are those? Where they they're kind of a fancy brand Terra. Tiva. Tiva. Exactly. I have those that are I I just I really like the style. There's a ton of Tivas I've had that I hate. These fit me. They're this black rubber. They are easy to put on, easy to take off. They get wet, water flows right through them. I really like those.

43:39 I love my Crocs, which I laughed at for years and made fun of people that had Crocs and thought anything about them. But then you made bought me a pair. Now you have the minion Crocs, Yeah. You bought me the you bought me the yellow ones, and then you bought, did you buy me the mini ones? Yeah. Yeah, I buy you the minion ones. And now I got Minion ones, and I wear those out, and people just look at me like, those are so cool. Yeah, I can get away with it because I'm old. You know, That's fair, I think. I think younger people can't get away with, you know, you can't go down and get naked in the local fountain and take a shower there and then leave. Oh, that's just Phil. He just does that on Tuesdays. He's old. I can't wait.

44:21 I'm excited for that. That's a privilege, Yeah. That's a privilege that you want to grow up to and be able to do. You know, you think about that. But I love my Crocs. Crocs, I've got probably, I mean my leather shoes, I got the Bruno Magli that I wear, the black tie UPS that are just really smooth, comfortable. And I mean, we were talking about, you were talking earlier that you really like the slip ONS. Well, Michael, who's the guy that wrote the book about the S&L savings and loan crisis? Oh, Michael Berry or something? The same guy that wrote the thing about the market break in 2012.

45:01 The Big short is that. What you're talking about? The Big Short, same guy wrote that. Well, he wrote about Michael Milken and he wrote about the bankers, the investment bankers. Michael Lewis. Yeah, Michael Lewis was the guy that wrote the book. But if you read the book that he wrote on Mike, on Michael Milken Milken and moved Drexel Burnham Lambert out to the West Coast and they had West Coast and they and they didn't have West Coast hours, they had New York hours. So they'd get up and go to work. They'd be at work by 5 and they'd be off by 1. And but they all wore, they all wore slip ONS. And at that time, and I've heard this over and over and over and over that no one takes you serious if you wear slip ONS.

45:45 You have to wear tie shoes. If you don't have tie shoes, then you're then you're just not a serious person, you know, which is kind of, I mean, it's kind of weird that they think that and it's like that. And they made fun of them and that and that was what he was saying is, is that when no one's taking milk and serious until the, you know, he bought a, you know, a $500 million company and now that's nothing. But in 1986, five $100 million company was a big company. You know, Yeah, the world has changed, but isn't it funny? Now everybody wears loafers because loafers are the best. What do you think about shoes? Shoes that that that you have right now? You got a favorite pair? The Chelsea boot I have, I've been wearing for the last six years and that's finally showing some wear.

46:31 On Do you have a leisure suit? Leisure suit I have a Sport coat that I can wear, but not. A No, but that's not a leisure suit. You got to have a a polyester suit. A leisure suit is like a polyester thing with the pants in the top that match like a lime green because those boots you wear or what old guys wore in the 60s. Oh, I see what you're talking about. Yeah, and they would wear those full on boots and, and when I saw you had those, I was laughing. And there's a derivative those called go go boots. And yeah, go go boots were worn by Bobby Sherman, the Monkeys. And I think The Beatles had them for a while in the 60s. But they're called go go boots.

47:15 And they were those slip on boots. And it's just so funny. And then you wear them like 40 years, 50 years later. Yeah, these are cool. It was the idea that I think The Beatles had some sort of impact too on those because they wore them all the time. Yeah, but comfort is the thing. They're you. Know they're easy to put on they they have good arch support too. Really really good arch. Support. Unlike every single shoe I wear on those actually have the best arch support. And they require. Little to no effort, little to no effort at all. I don't really wear the Crocs anymore because I don't go near water. So it's like, what's the plan? I just everything I wear here, what I wear more of than anything are I wear my ultras because I hike.

48:01 I mean, I do a couple miles a day, four days a week, maybe five days a week with the dogs or I hike with buddies and I wear my tennis shoes every time I used. I have AI, have the great boots, you know the boots, those green boots, that these are the ones that killed. Who was it? Not Obama? Who's the other guy? Osama. Osama bin Laden, They advertised them. At the Solomon G twos or something. Like that. Yeah, yeah, these are the, these are the boots that they wore when they killed him. It's like, yeah, that's good enough for me. But anyway, they're they're they're really uncomfortable, really good boots. But they weigh a little bit, whereas the ultras are really light and it's easier to walk in them. And unless I'm walking through water or it's cold, screw that, I don't need it, you know?

48:47 And then the around here I have my Olakis that is that what they are, the Hawaiians. What is? That yeah. And they're like a leather, they're a leather shoe. They're really they're they're slip ONS and I thought they were trash, but I got to tell you they are perfect. They are a really a perfect. Do you mean to show you? I'll show you one second. Right there, keep talking. Bring them back here. But I remember when I was a kid around 5 or 6, I used to have a pair of cowboy boots. Oh, here they are. Oh, oh, oh, that's interesting. Almost remind.

49:30 These guys. Dude. I bought those probably 8 months ago and the fact that the rear goes down like that means, means that you can slip into them really, really easily. They're warm, they have a, they have a hard soul. I can wear them in the backyard. I'm aiming there. I can wear them in the store and A and a pinch. I try to be a little better dressed up even though I'm old and retired and I don't give a shit, you know, for the most part. But but to some degree I try to change that. If anybody's got any shoe stories want to hear Chris, if you want to tell that story, correct me on it.

50:14 I would love to hear corrections and we can issue them in the next one. That was my the Gucci loafers that Luna's got. Life's a party, man. Well, we're at almost an hour. So sounds good to me. All right, we'll catch you next time. Yeah. Here in the record of my father. Go check out the website and TuneIn every Friday. All right, we'll see you later. Bye bye skiing at Beaver Creek.