Episode 116: Dentists

0:09 You can hear me. Welcome back to another episode of A Record, My Father. Today we're going to be talking about dentists. I went about a year ago somewhere up in Toluca Lake, I actually got a reminder for they were trying to get me to come every six months. But the last time I went in, they were telling me they're like, why are you even here? Like clearly you just got your teeth cleaned. And I hadn't been to the dentist in about a year now for two years. And I was like, well, why am I here? That's kind of funny. But they tried to sell me the mouth guard, like the retainer with the bottom retainer and then the mouth guard, right, your mouth guard on top for a group price of $1200. And I said, no, I'm going to go get one from the CVS. And that's where I am today.

0:54 They're like $7.00, right? Yeah, 10 or. 15 Now I noticed, I think that they're a lot like Doctor Dennis in particular, seem to push whatever is the item that has come down that is voted by the American Dental Association, that people are grinding their teeth too much. So we need to have these, and they did custom ones and all this other kind of stuff, 'cause mine, my first set, I didn't because it's covered, but it's covered by insurance, shockingly. So $550, you know, And then, but slowly but surely, I ended up by getting an Invisalign. And I don't, you know, so I wear those every night and that's what keys my teeth kind of straight. I, I went and did Invisalign through one doctor for two years, which you did as well, because my teeth are taken. They were taking left turns.

1:45 I didn't realize that your teeth always move. Yeah, you know that. I had no idea. I mean, I'm just sorry, I'm just stupid about teeths. But they move all the time. So you know, and, and, but, but once you do like an Invisalign thing, you have to wear it every night. But I'm used to it so much that I don't I can't go to sleep unless I got my little mouthpiece in, which does two things. It keeps my teeth in place because they are pretty straight, because people look like, wow, your teeth are straight for an old fucker, you know, and that they are. What are they? They are. They're straight, but they're still they're yellow as hell. Because I smoke and drink coffee.

2:26 Yeah, but that's never going to. Change. But it's weird the reason why another reason we're doing dentist today is I had an appointment this morning, 65 years old. I have AI have a cavity right right in front. Do you floss She. That's what she said, she said. You're not flossing deep enough that I'm not not not that I'm being too critical, you old fucking slow asshole, but you got to get that shit down into the gum if you don't want me to be digging a hole in your mouth. And I. Said OK, and then she shot me, shot me and shot me again with Mr. Novocaine and I went and I said doctor, doctor. What did they did they put a camp on it or what? What is the?

3:09 No, no, they just they. She just drilled it out with a with a like a mini jackhammer. I floss pretty frequently, pretty much every day or every other day. Then we started talking. We talked about you and then we talked about Oh my God, most embarrassing doctor's name. But it wasn't. And they were because we started talking about doctor and I said, what about doctor Anaal? And they're like and they were laughing. And so we started talking about filthy doctor names and, and then I said my wife, her, her very first gynecologist name was what? And they were like, what, what, what I and I'm like, I can't tell you. It's so filthy. And it's like, no, no, you got to tell me. And I said Doctor Harry Beaver.

3:51 And they're like so wag bullshit. And I'm like, no, no, no, really. Look it up. He's actually he's a gynecologist in Gainesville. We got to look that up. I got to look that up. It's no, it's absolutely, it's it's absolutely true. You wouldn't. I, I didn't when when she told me that when she was her mother was taking her to her first gynecologist when she was 12 or whatever the hell it was and that that it was his name was Doctor Harry Beaver. I was like, I, I just, you know, if I had a daughter, I wouldn't take her to that just because it's like, really. That guy seems like he's a a sleeper agent. Yeah, that's that does not seem good. It's like advertisement.

4:36 Hey, but Harry Beaver, what are you doing? Well, there was that gynecologist and he goes, Yep. There was that guy that makes sense in row with Beach when he was in the movie theaters, how they advertise the local advertisements and they said what was he was like, we'll put you to sleep while we do your dental stuff. And it was this weird mustache man. They do that all the time. But the the photo was of a weird mustache man smiling and I I'll never forget that. And I was like I would not want to be asleep around that guy ever. That guy looks evil. Yeah. But yeah, you, you look and you see that there's, there's there's things that create opportunity for people and they, they go to those.

5:16 I mean the they go to those we call them when they do that type of work, whether they be priests, whether they be coaches, baseball, football or football coaches, you know, or, or wrestling coaches or whatever. They they they move to to that area so they can, you know, do their little, you know, did a little kids. This is what we need to talk about when we're talking about dentists. But anyways. This is a great so I try this is getting through. Yes, it's actually not making me. But I. Could say some filthy stuff, but I. Remember in elementary school, they had a, a local dentist that was opening up come in and she was teaching us how to brush our teeth improperly 'cause she didn't know what, how to brush teeth.

6:08 And then she was like, come get your teeth brushed at the local pediatric whatever dentistry. And that's crazy that there was an advertisement during lunch at a public elementary school. I will never forget that. And I I was like, how do they let this happen? It was like APSA, but it was APSA disguised as an advertisement, which was interesting. Let's see what that's they, they've been doing that for years, you know, to a certain degree, but now it's even, it's much, much worse. Now they're letting those Psas write plans for students and paying them to write plans and those plans in queue include using their services. So it's very, you know, it's basically like you pay me to write you a plan and the plan is that you pay me to write you a plan.

7:05 Yeah, I know. That's exactly what I'm realizing. You're like, well, my gosh, this is tax dollar is crazy that I mean this current stuff. But anyway, Dennis, I go back. Do you have Dennis horror stories? Not really. I went to one recently. They did a great job. But I really, you know, you want to know when I noticed is that Moll was an amazing dentist and she, when she would scrape my teeth, I was like, I actually knew that she was doing something. Whereas I feel like a lot of dentists pretend. I feel like they pretend to do work. And they're like, Oh yeah. What's the hygienist? It kind of, it does most of the work. The hygienist comes in and she walks over your mouth and looks at everything and does all these different things and says whether or not you need X-rays do do the X-rays and all that kind of stuff like that.

7:50 And that's how they caught the cavity. But the hygienist didn't catch it, the doctor did. The doctor's really nice lady. I'm like, wow, they are really, really, really good. Very, very happy with them. What is it? And associates anyway? They're in Reston. No, they're not giving us any money anyway. They're really good. I look at the number of dentists that I've had since I was a little kid. I had Yarborough from all of my, you know, elementary years up until I was 10 or 12. And I stopped, didn't even go to a dentist until I met my wife, which was Gibberman who was over in Alexandria and we lived over there. And then we had, then we had, we moved to his son and then I moved to this woman in McLean because we lived in McLean at the time.

8:38 We didn't even have a dentist when we were in, in pulmonary drive for seven years. We used the Alexandria one, which we'd not get because it, I think when you get a dentist, you feel comfortable and maybe it's men may, I don't know if it's women as well, but you find a place where you're comfortable. They seem to do good work and they're they're easy and it's not painful. I went to one in McLane and it was an absolute Horror Story. It's also you start to see where they start to look at doing things that aren't necessary. I had had, what do you call them crowns, fillings, things, my teeth through the years. And then I went to McLane and I had a lady that said that I had cracks in my veneer on the teeth on the outside and that that I need to have, I need to put crowns in.

9:29 And I didn't understand because she talked about, she didn't say crowns. She used a different word. And I didn't know what it was. And I just listened because I always thought that you trusted the people that were taking care of your mouth, just like you trusted the people that were doctors, just like you trusted, which I don't trust any of these people anymore. It's all money driven but or I'm more suspect than I used to be. She got me to do an appointment to do 3 crowns and one sitting I got I got there at 7:30 in the morning and I didn't realize how long it was going to take. I had a 1:00 business appointment and at noon I'm trying to get out of the chair and she's gone.

10:14 We're not done. So I was in the chair from 7:30 on. She poked the hell out of me, did all this stuff. Three years later, I've had all three of those replaced because they were, they were put in kind of shoddily. She was a newer dentist and she wasn't that good because I, and the reason I would say that is because I, I have, I have crowns that were put in 25 years ago. Never had a problem. I have her three crowns lasted 3 to five years tops. They they had problems because they were they're put on incorrectly so stuff got underneath them. There's all sorts of weird shit like. Yeah, that's not good.

10:57 You know, and when I talked to the dentist, they're like, well, you never, you don't. Most dentists, well, some dentists don't do, you don't do preventative care. If you have if you have like cracks in your teeth, you don't they call them fissures. You don't like get a crown put in because those cracks may stay there until you die. They may never change and maybe very surface cracks. They can't really tell they and just it's not like plumbing where if the pipe breaks and you're not there, you're going to you know, it's like it's it's absolutely absurd to do to jump ahead of these things with a number of different thing.

11:42 I mean, I'm just like that that and it was on top of that. It was like 4400 bucks. It was not cheap. It was not cheap and it didn't last. So I had to have them all redone one at a time. And it was the whole painful thing over which made me totally distrust every dentist. I went to another dentist and the first thing she's doing is she's telling me that I need those guards. So I go go in. My wife liked her. I said, OK, cool, I'll try her because this is usually what happens. I try something. She she says, I, she said, do you like it? I'm like, yeah, and so she'll try it and vice versa. So I go in, the lady says, do you have night guards? And I said, no, I, I, I have Invisalign. She goes, well, are they good?

12:23 And I go, she goes, you should bring them in the next time. And, and the whole time she's there, she has an advertisement for mouth guard, veneers, all this. Different. TV going on in the background telling me I should buy shit from her. OK, which I'm like in the in the the actual hygienist was a roving hygienist that worked at all sorts of different things. She's really good. The lady comes in when I bring them the second time and she's literally taking them and she goes, well, they seem kind of old and she's trying to snap them in half in front of me. I'm like, what the fuck? You know, because she wanted the $800 or 500 or 6 or whatever the hell. That's a great idea.

13:08 But she says, can you bring them in so I can look at them and see. And she goes, well, look, they look flimsy. They look like there's problems. And I'm like, they fit in my mouth. They're they're they're plastic on both sides. They stop my heat from grinding. What? What? And she's like, well, they seem like they're and she's she's literally taking them in front of my eyes and doing this. And I almost punched her in the face. I was just like, this is just you're. You're just a greedy fuck. Those things are like a grand, too. It's spot coming for the bottom and I was slipped up. Yeah, let me. Do that to your kid, you know, I'll RIP their fucking arms off in front of you and say, oh, well, they weren't attacks really. Well, fuck you, you know that. It just that boiled my blood to see somebody be that overt and they're supposed to be in a care. Yeah, no, it's, it's really funny because it's more and more you see people just doing the snake oil sales. Bit if you're a mechanic, it's crazy. I'm sorry.

14:03 I'm talking over you because I'm just, you see how I get really angry about that? Yeah, You're like, oh, I pushed the wrong button. He's being an idiot now. But it was just like, I mean, if you're a mechanic and you're going to RIP me off, I kind of like feel like that's sort of normal, you know, Hey man, it looks like your tires low. That'll be $75. Hey, man, it looks, looks like your windows got an extra layer of crust on it. We could take that off. But we have to put silicon, we have to put some something called H2O on it and wipe it around and that cleans it off. And that's a really special treatment. You know, that H2O and we're going to put it at a high pressure. So that'll be $85. And, and you're like, OK, you're going to RIP me off for washing my window with water, you know, but but when a dentist does it or a doctor does it, you're like. Feels a little disrespectful, just a little bit and especially.

14:55 Right in front of me, like she was. You could literally see her and she's a small Indian woman. She was trying to snap. It I remember her, yeah, I remember her quite clearly. Yeah, I will punch you in the face. I remember I got, I meant the hygienist for that company and and then the the doctor came in and I said, I feel like the hygienist is more, I don't know, qualified. She was not in it for the money, she was doing it for the service. You. Know and that's what I got and she was like, OK, it's just, and she goes if she comes in and she tells you to do this, say no. She's actually telling me how to answer questions. And I'm like, well, that seems very odd that you know, said if you don't, she said in dentistry you don't do anything until you have a problem.

15:39 Because if you do something you create, you could and many times create another problem. So it was like, oh. Yeah, I got a weird vibe from her. I remember that. It was like and. Mom got the vibe that she even sat there and said please don't, can you cut the TV off? I don't want to be sold this stuff. She goes OK, and she doesn't cut it off. And then and they leave her in there for like 20 minutes to watch this program. And then at the end, at the end after The thing is like, OK, we're we're going to be back in just a minute. And they go up and they cut the TV on so she has to watch it again. And she's just like. Crazy, crazy. Well, some people don't, I mean, some people do. They get hooked on certain things that they think work. And I think that she thought that that was marketing and she didn't understand it.

16:31 I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't know. But maybe she was a great dentist. She was a recommended dentist but I didn't. I don't think people want to make a good kind of business acumen anymore where you have clients that trust you because it takes too long. I feel like they'd much rather do the quick sell. Whereas building an actual customer basis then which customers trust you and they believe in you takes years and people don't want to do that anymore. People are. Talking I, I, I, I, I wholeheartedly agree with that, that, that, that when you want quality, you, you have to pay for it many times and it lasts and also it takes time to earn it. You know, you can't go in and just, you know, beat people and give them a shoddy product and shove it in front of them. Go here.

17:21 It's great. And you know it doesn't work that way. You have to it, it's a slow process and the companies that I've been involved in, it's like anytime we were doing a product, it was it was all about listening to the customer, delivering what they have and then when they didn't use figuring out why and then changing it to make it so they did use it as opposed to because a lot of people will throw something out and or do something and and this is I don't think it's any different than dentistry. It's like you're, you come in and I start trying to push a hard sell on you on a new mouth guard and shit like that. And you're like, and you don't have dental insurance. It's like, OK, I don't need to do that. We don't need, you know, no. Yeah, I know. I also speaking about dental insurance. I don't think I've ever even had insurance from when I was a kid that ever covered any dental, which is really funny. Usually it's like Papa John's.

18:09 It's like Papa John's offered a micro dental plan. Yeah, don't, I mean, I, I find that they're, they're they'll they'll cover your, you're, you're what do you call it when you go in and you get a, an appointment and they set it up? I mean, I just did this filling this morning. I pay them 400 bucks a year. So they do my, what do you call it, X-rays cleanings and all that stuff. And then on top of this, it was like 250. It was 250 for a filling. I don't. Know I've never had a feeling so I wouldn't know. I don't know. I can't. I don't know where a place where you would go and put this in and say, yeah, is this good? High, low, good. But I would say that of all the feelings I've had, it was the least painful. It was quickest, easiest.

18:57 She gave me shots three times. I did not. I felt like the slide that she put a number in like they all do. They used to not put a number and they just take it. They get out the big here. Let me stick you in or out here. Is it feeling the same thing as a root canal? It's not the same thing, right? No, no root. Canals when they go down to the bottom of the key, then they kill the root. OK. It's rotting. The Two's rotting underneath or something to that degree. I'm, you know, and all my dental knowledge as I make it up as I go. It sounds good, right? Yeah. But I yeah, well, that's like a full extraction. Yeah, it's. The whole thing with the what's his name now fighting about fluoride and water and they want to they're killing the fluoridation water and that that when I was a kid at I mean, how many cavities did you have? 0.

19:41 Do you realize that when my, in my generation, we grow up, by the time you were 20, you would have had at least 10 cavities. Everybody did because there was no fluoridation in the water. Well, I feel like dental hygiene was lower back then. I don't know. Yes and no. I mean there was, there was fluoridation, there was no fluoridation in the water. And if you look at the American Dental Association, which does not get paid. Anything for putting fluoride in the water. So there is like, hey, we're doing this because we have money and we get a kickback. No, what it does is it strengthens your teeth. And they used to put it on manually once a year. They would do a fluoride treatment, which was like 12 bucks back in the 60s.

20:26 And it was, it made your teeth stronger and this that and the other. And then they realized that if they added just a small, you know, one part per billion to your water that, that you would get. And they started doing this in city water and all of a sudden cavities went away. So people's teeth lasted longer. Because remember, you know, 150 years ago, we all died at 35. Now we all live to 70. So our, but our teeth, you got to change the way you treat them because otherwise they, they're all gone at 40. You start to look around at your friends that are, I mean, and usually it's economically disadvantaged or poor people that don't have the money to go to a dentist or it's English. The English people are funny because their teeth are all crookly and and you're just like, what the hell, You know, you guys don't believe in dentist. I don't think they do.

21:13 But you know, there are. My name was my name was Chunky Cows. Yeah. But what that I saw Pip, Pip Terrio and rotten faith, right? Those are all those British people, man, with the brown teeth that just are falling out of their head. I don't know what that is. This is bad tooth genomics. I guess they do something. I think they had chew on bricks when they were a kid or something. I don't. Know, well, I think that it's there there's there's a direct association between pain and a dentist with kids for the most part, 100% more so more so than doctors because doctors the I remember when we were kids, pain from the dentist was like you're going to have a cavity. They're going to they my brothers would always have the big drill in hand. Go ring, ring, ring, ring, you know. Or worse, was the hand drill.

22:03 Oh geez, yeah, I remember that with the. They would tell you they're going to hand drill your mouth and show the big sharp bit and, you know, just just to fuck. What was that? Before or after they I? Cannot imagine that my brothers were the only ones that did that. I imagine that a lot of people they, they, you know, you, you enjoyed instilling fear in your brothers and sisters on something that you'd gone and done. You know, it's like a shot, like my sister was the one that was the person who didn't like shots. I didn't care. I got, I got to a point where I was like, I don't know why, but but but you know, I was the one that would just sit there and they'd come in and they'd stick me. Do you want, And I'm like, no, I just look away.

22:47 It's just take the pain and move on. You got to have it. You know, now we're all running away from the vaccine thing. So, and it's funny that we get on to this topic while we're talking about Dennis, because the fluoridation thing has already been, it used to be mandatory to put it in public water supply. What you're going to see with no fluoride is that many, many people are now going to develop cavities. And it's going to be a whole new industry for people to have, you know, to fill cavities because your teeth are going to start falling apart because people don't rush three times a day. They don't clean them. You know, they're, they're just not going to do that. You and your teeth are not, you know, your teeth are made of the same thing the teeth were made of 150 years ago. Those teeth lasted 35 years.

23:39 Your teeth have to last 80 years. Think about that. What are they doing differently with teeth now than then? Well, you're washing them, you're brushing them, you're cleaning them, you're getting the food out around them, and they're living longer. We get a ceiling too now. Yeah. Boride seal or not a fluoride seal? Well, exactly. Whatever they do at the end, they seal it with the the foam. Yeah, that's fluoride. That is fluoride, yeah. So. Think about it. They do. They do a fluoride treatment in addition to the fluoride. I mean, that's a problem that we always worried about here because in our house, strangely enough, this is well water, which has no fluoride. So you grew up in a house with no fluoride, right? And you were born here, 99, You know, you, you, you the, all the water you ever drank out of this house didn't have fluoride. It was only when you went elsewhere, you know, she, she was on a kick for a while and I think we might have had some fluoridation here and there, but no, but then, but you were always like on it with the dentist. That was like mouthwash, 'cause if I remember, Bushka said something to some degree is like, there's one thing I want to die with and it's my teeth.

24:57 And I said that's a great goal to have. That's a, that's a really realistic goal to have one and it's one that you have kind of complete control over almost depending on your teeth genetics. But I think that that's something that I really identified with when I was about 9 or 10. I remember watching them pull my father's teeth out. That was a gross thing. The Veterans Administration, 1967, I went there. I was 8 years old. I was, I remember going to the Veterans Administration. He had, he had gone through World War One, I mean, World War 2 and Korea war. He had his teeth beat out in a, in a he got, he got, he got beat up by the black market strapped, you know, and all sorts of weird stuff like that.

25:44 And he had all sorts of horrible things happen because he had his face punched in a bunch of times, you know, by black marketeers and a few other things. So anyway, he's sitting in the chair and the chair was in a room like the size of this room and I'm just sitting over the wall with a couple other people and the dentist is just literally shot him full of gas and just ripping his teeth out. And then I went out in the hallway and I met these guys that were there from the Vietnam War and they were riding up and down the up and down the Veterans Administration. And they're, what do you call them, wheelchairs.

26:24 And they were doing races. And I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. I remember talking to these guys and they were all missing legs, you know, but they all had wheelchairs and they all could make them pop up in the air and everything. And I was like, man, I wish I had that. And they were like, well, I would trade, I would trade my wheelchair for a leg any day. And I didn't, I, I mean, I was like, I was 7 or 8 at the time. So I didn't really kind of grasp what they were talking about. But I mean, they were just bolting and flying. I could not. They moved faster in a wheelchair than I did at a flat out run at age 7. OK. And I wasn't that slow, you know, I mean, maybe, but I was actually pretty quick as a young kid because I had older brothers.

27:11 And that's how you survived, you know, 'cause if you weren't quick, you had to be really strong. And they were bigger than me by four or five years. So when I threw something at them, I had to run and I had to and I had to be fast so they couldn't catch me and I could out. Edwin was faster than me, but he could not zigzag. Seth was fat and slow, could never catch me. So I could I would just laugh. I would call him anything I wanted and say, yeah, you know, fuck off, catch me, throw stuff at him and you know, whatever. But but eventually I had to go home. And that was always the rule was like, well, you got to go to your room eventually. And when you do, payback is a bitch. And I would, I had, I had many a fight in the downstairs hallway. I remember Edwin pick me up and banging me against the wall. Ah, the old and pretty wonderful days. That was man.

28:02 Yep, brotherly love. I don't remember Seth. Seth was like, oh, just, I don't know when I was 1617. That's when we fought a lot. But you know, I, I, I was crazy. Different time, different stuff. Different. Thing completely different. But anyway, back to Dennis, I think about, I've talked about, I remember, I remember that Yarborough or Dennis got paid on time that we would go there and I would go there with a check for $10 and I would give it and the visit was like 15 or 12 or 19.

28:45 And we'll put the rest on your account. That's what I remember. And it and it, and I would go there once every, I think once a year is when we did the dentist then, you know, and, and we had a dentist payment account, you know, but I mean, we, we all went to the dentist. You know, my mother was AGS 1. So we were living off of six of us were off of 5800 bucks. Whoa. Yeah. Well, that's kind of like grocery stores, who used to have grocery stores, grocery store accounts, right? You put that on your account or something like that. Exactly back in the old.

29:30 They kind of got rid of that though. Well, they did because, you know, people in theory made enough money to buy the food that they needed to eat in a week. You know, when you go like how in the world do we have a society where someone cannot afford to buy enough food to eat? And, and it's like, and you want to always place it on the individual's responsibility. It's like you can for about 3%, but at some point you got to say that society is doing something wrong. You know, if they can't, if they can't feed the people. I mean you, I, I remember in the 60s, India and China could not feed the people.

30:13 They, they had, you know, every year 10s of thousands died starvation because they didn't have enough food. They didn't get it to them, didn't work. You know, Sudan, all, all the different places you can look around Ethiopia, Bangladesh. My question is, 13 to 14% of American children struggle with food insecurity, but I don't really know what that means, right? Yeah, I don't know. It's. Well, I don't. Know what how it's classified really in the USI. Would imagine that it's you. You do not get one or two meals a day. OK, there we go. Yeah, that's. What I want the number of meals that you get a day, the number of calories, because that's what I would think is. Calorie intake. You know what calorie?

30:54 Intake would mean is like if you're a young kid and you need 2000 calories a day you get you get 1500. That's like, well, that's kind of less descript as the 11% of Americans don't have access to clean drinking water. Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's well when you start. To I know what that means, yeah. Yeah, when you when you think of like Flint, MI and what's happened there and they've never fixed it. People drink bottled water. Under any party, they haven't fixed it. That's crazy. I mean it, well, that's, I think the the problem is, is that we keep coming back to it's the other side's fault and at some point it's no, it's. That place has been entirely.

31:35 Forgotten our fault and I think that it would be nice if we got back to an America where it was not ask what I can do, what my country can do for me, but ask what I can do for my country. And the country was asking for us to not be such pieces of shit and work together. Yeah, I don't really think, well, it's, it's really in the business acumen too, of every single small business now. It's just very lecherous. There's a certain level of lechery over the entire nation, whether you be liberal or Republican, doesn't matter. I mean, it's there's a level at which people are just taking advantage of one another to such a degree that it doesn't seem like it's ever going away and it's kind of upsetting.

32:22 Well depend the the pendulum, hopefully it will swing, but a lot of people say that it's I don't think it will. I don't think that it will and I don't know. It's not necessarily the administration, it's more of the economic. I would say I don't know, just. The I think they're. Yeah, I think. They're absolutely, I think. Well, you can say that, but at the same time, like even under Biden, but. We saw the billionaires line up in right behind the guy when he was being, you know, you had every major. But how is that reflective of small businesses and how is that reflective of other businesses that are much smaller than those billion dollar companies that are also equally as lecherous towards their consumers when you say? Lecherous help. Help me out.

33:03 I just feel like every single business I walk into now, whether it be anywhere, I'm getting it taken advantage of, like every single one. It's crazy. Even though like, I mean what we were just saying at the dentist, at the doctor's office, at anywhere and. Change the way that it's not about the product, it's how can I scam this guy? Exactly, exactly. It's it's everywhere. It's not just those, which I will say it is definitely. I'm not saying I'm not trying to negate that. But it's it's trickled down to a point where I think that those larger people have gotten away with so much that people at the lower end of the spectrum are saying, well, fuck it, Why? Why?

33:43 Wouldn't I do this since they're not going to hold anybody else accountable? Why should I care? Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And it because it is sad when you see people do absolute wrong and then walk away and then, you know, or get held accountable and then get pardoned. Or I mean, it's just thing after thing after thing where it's really like, wow, you did something wrong and you didn't get held accountable. And then you get let go. And it's like, wow, that's not that's not the American way. Thomas Hobbes said the people are inherently evil, and I have believed that since about 9th grade. Who's Tom Hobbes? Thomas Hobbes was the one of the founders of your phones ringing. Is he the?

34:28 One that read the is is he the one that did Calvin and Hobbes? No, he wrote the Commonwealth, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, on the original Commonwealth, which is the design for American government. But he was a theologian, and they're not theologian who's a philosopher. Yeah. And yeah, but he wrote a doctor in, I can't remember what it was, but on how people are inherently evil. And I believe that they are inherently evil. And I think that that's the. Truth. I don't, I I'm not there. I don't believe that. I think that that that is that's a mindset that fits right into the religious model.

35:10 I don't believe that. I think that a lot of people wouldn't hurt someone else just because. Oh wait, so he did not believe that they are inherently evil but are driven by natural desires and aversions. I I. Agree with that. A fear of death and hunger for power which leads to a war of all against all in the absence of government. That's when he wrote the Leviathan was to enforce that these natural desires would not kind of overtly take over your mind. I think is. Really. Yeah. But would you, you, you know, when you, when you think about these things, it's like it's groups like, oh wow, if how many people would steal if they could get away with it?

35:54 Well, a lot of people wouldn't. How many people would murder if they could get away with it? Well, a whole lot of people wouldn't. You know, I mean, I mean, just start asking questions like that and think and go like, I wouldn't kill anybody. I mean, well, maybe, maybe I'd kill a few. I don't know. Well, there's the whole thing that Anne Rand was talking about and which was new. It's. Anne Ryan. It's Anne in the 16 or in the 1960s, which was Objectivism and how objectivist. We should be living our lives selfishly and not let other people get in the way 'cause we live one life, therefore nobody should be able to disrupt what we are trying to achieve in this lifetime, which I kind of agree with that.

36:39 I mean, I kind of. No, I I don't. I I do to some degree, 'cause I mean, only because you're going to, you're going to lean down, you're going to help somebody at the advent that you wouldn't be able to accomplish your dreams. That's pretty much what that's about. You would rather help somebody than not accomplish your own. Dreams What if you What if you make helping people part of your dream I mean, that's. Well, that's the only kind of work around, but other than that, yeah. Well I mean you don't have to make it full time, you can make it part time it. Depends, though it depends what your dream is and if it's actually accomplished. I don't have, I didn't have any dream whatsoever about helping people. I just do it, you know?

37:22 Well, you never let anybody get in the way. Therefore you accomplished your dream and after you accomplished your dream, then you were able to help people, which is kind of different if you think about that one. One came before the other. Yeah, but what's I mean my dream? I don't know if I've accomplished it. What is it? I don't know. I was just thinking in relative to the the business that you started and you created, right? Yeah, well The thing is, if you make that the whole life. Yeah, but then do you make the second one or the? I think it was more maybe not dream is the right word, but accomplishments or yeah, kind of. Choice. So see how that changes the meaning of if you let people get in the way of your accomplishments that I can, you know, you know, and I can see that. That's what Objectivism is, yeah. I can absolutely see that accomplishments is not more than dreams, because dreams to me is is like, you know, I and maybe I'm just in a nitpicking, you know which I do. I am that I.

38:25 Yeah, wow. But no, that's what Objectivism was about. That's kind of what The Fountainhead is all about as well. And the. Books that she wrote, Yeah. You're like some reader, dude. You do this stuff. All what? What in the world? It's weird, you know, sitting over there with my Spider Man comic books and you have the big fat book. I've been bad at reading this year. You have not really great like when I read like 7 or 8. Well, you do. You're working. You're working heavily on the documentary. You were gone for literally 2 months of the year and. I finished Treasure Island while I was there. Read that. So you did have a big book. That's not really big though. That's like 200 pages and it's really big text. Really.

39:09 Yeah, really big text. Oh. I thought it was really long. No, no. It's like 250 pages, if that. Oh, I got to get that. Yeah, really big text. It's written in Pirate too. It's hard to read you. You don't like? That's literally how it's written. It's crazy. What's the one? Did you read the red magic purge? No. That Stephen Crane that that's a book that touched me. If you read that, if you read that and I could I there's a scene, there's actually a paragraph, a visual that and I think that's the reason that when you think about reading and and for me, I don't know about you, but when you read the classics that you can visualize the scene, the person, the smell, the air.

39:58 I mean, I can still do that by that that that wow, I. Need to go back and read more Charles Dickens. I've never really read a lot of Charles Dickens. I read the The Old Curiosity Shop, which was, I read about 75% of that. And that was odd that that was very odd. That was his weirdest book by far. And I never finished it 'cause I was like, I don't need to finish this, this is strange, really. And then, yeah, but I want to read Tale of Two Cities. Never read that. I think I read that, I don't remember. What it was I never read. I like his writing style though. It's very it's. Very. Old Gin St. and and small beer for the children because there was no potable water in London.

40:40 So you had children drinking small beer which was a beer that was out of like a Dixie cup. And then you had Gin St. which was when people, these children eventually got older and still couldn't really afford it was either potable water or it was gin. They chose gin. And then you had people just drinking gin all day on Gin St., falling down in the gutter face 1st and not really able to do anything and losing their homes and what not. Wow. Yep. Wow. And then they died at 35. Even. Yeah, yeah, pretty much, yeah. I just can't imagine. People used to regularly die of consumption is what they would call it. And I'm like, I just can't imagine. What is that? Just diarrhea.

41:22 No, no, it's alcoholism, I'm pretty sure. Consumption. Is consumption right? What is consumption? Look it up. I'm I'm wondering because people would say that oh, he's dead or he died of consumption. No, I remember. Let's see what I'm I'm actually curious. Sumption, that was. Tuberculosis, But what is alcoholism? Because they had another like slight off word for. Wasting disease, especially pulmonary tuberculosis. His mother died of a wasting disease. Oh, interesting. Someone is dying from a bacterial infection that typically attacks the lungs, causes severe weight loss, a bloody cough, fever and fatigue. The term consumption comes from the visible wasting away of the body.

42:10 It appeared to be literally consumed by the disease, which was leading cause of death for centuries before the discovery of its cause and effective treatments. Caused by micro bacterium tuberculosis bacteria primarily affects the lungs. Symptoms include a chronic cough, often with blood, fever, fatigue, night sweat, significant weight loss. I need some consumption to get rid of some of my weight, I think. Interesting. There's a lot of Americans that could use that. The reason why I thought it was consumption is because of alcohol consumption. That's why I always thought that's what that meant but I guess not. I don't know there was another word for it I can't think though or phrased. It was like he died of of this from drinking too much and I can't remember what the phrase was but it sounded similar to consumption if I remember correctly.

43:00 Well, that would be but those different phrases for drinking you have alcohol poisoning, alcohol overdose, lethal intoxication, ethanol toxicity. The death is from acute or chronic alcohol abuse. It's. Like an old time you. Phrase deaths, End stage aqualism. Death from liver disease. Liver disease. Maybe, I don't know, it was more like a word, like a kind of all-encompassing word. But yeah, I those people should have gone to the dentist too, I'll tell you that much. Yeah.

43:42 I mean, they, they got those people. Oh my gosh. What do you get dentures by the time you're like 9 or 10 years old? That's just. Intemperance. Maybe that's what it was. Yeah. Intemperance. Yeah, that might have been it. Yeah. The temperance was the old timey phrase to getting. Not drinking and intemperance is. That's what it was. That's what I'm thinking of. Yeah, 'cause that's an old timey word that he was constantly crossing the intemperance tray or bus or bridge or whatever the hell is, exactly. What I'm thinking, yeah. And no doubt. Absolutely. You know what? I got to stop taking What? What were you saying? I. Was going to ask about your dental appointments. I need to do another one soon this time, yeah. But I mean, my teeth are pretty healthy. I'm 65.

44:29 You know when you talked about one of the who's Abuska that said that the the most important thing to him was to die with his teeth? My mother had all of her teeth. My father lost. I would told the story where he had his teeth beat out of him. We were in the and then he lost him at 67 and he had dentures. I have relatives on my wife's side that had dentures and the, the grandfather didn't have dentures or he had an upper plate or something like that and not a lower plate, you know, and, and it's kind of funny because you see somebody with dentures and take them out. Yeah, yeah, there's no jaw one. What, what you're doing there?

45:10 I don't. Have an old turtle, man. Yeah, well. You're there's a lot. There's a you make yourself smile, and it's hard to smile without teeth, you know, So it's an interesting thing. It sure is. When I when I would get in arguments with the old man and he would always take his teeth out and throw him out on the table. It was the most disgusting thing in the world, you know, and, you know, go for the I'm going to beat your ass. Let me take my teeth out. He throws the teeth on the table and you're just like, wow, who? Who really? That's foul. And at dinner time, it's always the best. Yeah, because he throws them on your plate of food. You know, what I was thinking about the other day is. Having somebody else's teeth in your food. Yeah, that's foul.

46:01 Or eating with Invisalign on. That's just the weirdest thing. Oh, it is, it is. I have like acid. I'll have bad acid reflux late at night and I've already put in my and I won't pay attention and I'll just go in and it'll be 2:00 in the morning and my, my insides will be blowing up and I'll reach in and I'll grab my Gammascon and I'll grab 2 pills and I'll throw them and I'll start crunching. I'll go like. I've done that. Yeah, I've done that too. And it's like I'm I look at that white foaming dog. I gotta put you on to this new Japanese one. Indigestion medicine. Really it's I think it's made from clove or something, but it's it's better than Gavis gone.

46:44 No way. Nothing's better than Gavis gone. This, this is 3 seconds. It's crazy. You mix it with water. It's like a spoonful. You mix it in the water but. It's not 3 seconds. Nums nums everything. Really. It's it's insane. I've never had my God, it might be. I gotta do that. I'll take a picture of it. It's it's amazing. I'm going to buy something to use it because I'm, I mean, I've had ulcers since I was in my 20s. I remember the doctors talking about that. Well, you know how you sometimes get like a post belch when you're when you have the Gaviscon? Yeah, and it burns. Oh, you're talking. About the one that blows up to your throat. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's just normal. This even numbs that belch, which is crazy. Really.

47:26 Yeah. Yeah, 'cause that's like, yeah, it's bringing up the fruits of the acid. You know, somebody's put the battery in. Well, when they talk about it, it it's like you can throw metal into your stomach and it would dissolve. So you got to think your stomach lining's got to be amazing. If you Pierce your stomach lining, then you got to start getting worried that acid is rolling into your outer, you know, your other skin. I mean, I that's what ulcers are. And I had a couple ulcers and I would tell you that as I used to tell someone, I said it's like, it's like someone crawls down into your stomach and they have an ice pick and they're pushing it out and you feel the point.

48:07 And I remember it when I was over at Pomeroy Drive and I had the, and then and like when the business started, really excel and it really started a lot of pressure and a whole lot of things. I would sit there and I would hold my finger on my stomach where I could feel the ice pick coming out at at like 11:00 at night, 12 o'clock 1:00. Because as soon as you lay flat, all the acid just tears your guts out. And so then you jump up and I drink a bottle of Milanta and I walk around the room, you know, and she would roll over in her bed and then and my stomach would settle down after about an hour, hour and a half.

48:47 So it'd be like 1:00 in the morning. And then guess what happens after you drink a bottle of Milanta? Yes, you are absolutely right. And you go and you sit in the bathroom and, and, and you are Mr. Tap Water. And it's just like, so it's just a wonderful night of sleep, a wonderful night. And then and then you get up the next morning and you're so tired and what do you do? You drink a half a pot of coffee to get you going. And you know what that does? That is the dumbest thing you can do, because then you have no food, no water, nothing in your system but sixteen 2436 ounces of coffee. You hop in your truck, you light your Marlboro, and then you start going and you drive down.

49:35 You drive down Georgetown Tyke to GW Parkway and you go in and your guts just sort of start setting on fire and you realize that you stuffed handfuls of cookies and crackers and shit. Not because you like the taste of it, because you need something to soak up the boiling acid that's coming. And you're eating, you're eating oh oh tips ahoy. And you, you literally take 4 Tips Ahoy cookies and stick them in your mouth and chomp them down and eat them. And then I wonder why I have dental problems. I think that there's some American obsession with the depletion of your health over a company or over or even in this.

50:18 The artist in the America is right. We're starting somebody who needs to be on borderline suicide in order to create something amazing. Yeah, if you don't give me, I think it is, it's 612. Have you heard of that? No. Six days a week, 12 hours a day or there's you're on the 612 squad. That's a lot of the tech people out in San Francisco. I think they have, there's like there's the six 99 or 969 or something like that where you, you come in in the morning and you work. It's, it's 996. That's another one, which is you work 9:00 to 9:00 six days a week.

51:01 You know, and you think to yourself, that mentality is to make something that is a technical thing that most likely will be gone in five years, you know, and it's, it's just so you destroy your life and yes, you get, you get a big pile of money so you can have your house and your car and your stuff like that. And then, and then things change and it's like it becomes, I don't know. I mean, if there's camaraderie at work and stuff like that and the, and the, and the fun and the culture it, it, your family is, is not the thing that's part of it. You're more a family member of the company than you are. But but the problem is, is that the companies don't really, you know, the bigger ones, I think, I think smaller ones maybe care more if they can, but you know, but if it comes down to losing the population, I mean, company crashing or cutting people, people get cut every time, doesn't matter, you know, that's the way it is. So that's a that's a weird thing. I mean, as far as like I would like my, my teeth the last, I feel like they will because I do. I would say I do more dental shit now at 65 than I did it 5545352515105.

52:24 Absolutely. I've gotten I, I've gotten more and more. And you are like your your mother taught you from a very, very young age to take care of your teeth early and often. And I and I think that you brush at least twice times a day. Am I? Am I correct? No, I do. You have pretty good dental habits. You, I started flossing five years ago. Really. Consistently. Yeah. And that and it's. And it's like a lot of things when you get the habit, you get in the and it's if you're good at it and it's fast, then it it comes and goes and it's gone. It's easy. Yeah, most definitely. That's for sure. Well, I think that's our episode for this week, right? I think we're good. So as always, should we take out our teeth? And we're going to take out our teeth for this thumbnail here. But as always, check out the website and social media. All right, we'll talk to you next week. Bye bye.