Episode 114: Framing

0:09 Welcome back to a record, my father. Today we're going to be talking about framing. So I went to Hey Framer recently. I actually, you know, what's really funny about this framer is that I've been going to him. There's this thing that I'm looking at now. It's the first movie poster for the the short film I did last year. And the framer's name is Phil. I shit you not his name. Is Phil. I'm not even kidding. And me and this guy like really struck it off. Really did a great job. He did a great job on this. Frame. Can you go into detail on what struck it off means 'cause I have that. Struck it up, struck it up, I guess. I don't hit it off, is what some of us say. Yeah, struck it off is something that well that. Kind of sounds bad, doesn't it? It does sound bad.

0:52 It sounds bad. We. Really hate it off because when I was in Mongolia this. Did you guys talk about facial hair? No, no we didn't, but he is a mustache too much like mine. Similarly, I see you grew the mustache and he everybody's giving you greed and. He's like, I'm not that good of a painter. I he literally is one of the best painters I've ever seen. Like he's showing me images of his paintings and this guy's like probably 60. I don't know. Does he do paint by numbers? No, no, no, no, he does just hand freehand painting. You can take a picture now, you can take a picture now, you can send it away and they will come back with the paint by numbers of that picture and it really looks like it. I think there's something about framers that's like the last artisanal thing, or the. And when you say framer, you're talking about someone that actually makes the frame for the painting. Exactly.

1:40 Yeah, well, not a. Doggy does that. Your uncle Doggy does that. Yeah, it's a the last craft I feel like I. Mean he's like amazing what's. Going on but he. He also does the touch up because he works for a lot of people that resell art and they sell them to people to fill their houses. And what he does is he makes custom frames. They'll come in with a, they'll come in with a painting, it's 100 years old and the frame will be all messed up and the the corner will be burnt. He will repaint the corner. He will remake the the the frame. You know what he uses? What? Body putty? Oh, like the wood Like yeah, instead of wood. He. I mean, no magic wood. He goes Nah, Nah, I can't paint on that. And it doesn't dry and it's just not hard enough and it doesn't do this.

2:25 And I mean, he's got, he says he uses like a Bondo body, the body putty that you put on a car. And he said that's what he remixed his frames with, because it's stronger than the frame itself. I remember you guys came over. They came over one time and you guys were doing cigar boxes like you were customizing cigar boxes 'cause you had so many with this clay, this fast, dry clay that you put in the oven. And he made a frog, and it was the best frog out of clay I'd ever seen in my life. It was crazy. He's an artistic dude. He just can't do it. He has, he looks at things differently in a way, and he kind of looks like Frank Zappa. So he. Does I never thought about that he. Kind of has that, that otherworldly thing and that, you know, and it's like when you, when you look at an empty trash can, what do you see? And some people see, oh, it's a 5 gallon bucket of water and but it's empty.

3:16 And other person says, oh, I could use it for this. They want to fill it up. Other people can say, oh, it could be a hat. Some people would say, oh, I can make it into, you know, clothing, you know, And it just like it's really cool to meet people that look at things completely out of any perspective that you would ever grab. But this guy, Phil. So I just went in one day. I said I needed this poster. Frame, are we related? I mean, his name's Phil too. Right now it's now it's in the frame. Right now it's in the frame. This woman in Mongolia gave me a postcard, right of thank you for coming to my country and helping me tell my story to the world. And and it's written in Mongolian and on the front it says a leader is only happy when his people are happy. And that's Chingus gone on it.

4:00 And then it has like the, the kind of the silk book, it's Chingus in Mongolia, it's Gangus outside of Mongolia. And then I put $200 bills that are Mongolian, $100 bills, which is less than I think 2 cents or something. It's the equivalent of the, the money or the transaction rate or whatever. And then so he's framing that in this beautiful bamboo wood frame. And I can't wait to see it. But that's why I brought up the framing thing because I did that yesterday and it's going to be double sided because on one side this chink is gone, on the other is the written note, right? And I was like, how do you do that? And he's like, he's like, we're going to cut the mat out. And so it's going to be double sided glass on both sides so you can flip it over. Are you? Are you this woman that gave this to you? Are you going to send her anything? Yeah, I could the I have her address on the postcard, so oh, that'd be kind of cool and send.

4:47 It back to her as a package. Yeah, I can make it. Well, I can make another one. There's only one postcard that she wrote to me so. Oh, and he put the original on there. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, OK, yeah. But it looks I'm excited for it. What would be cool for you is to have your whole team sign a photo of your whole team together. And she had a guest. Book that we all signed and that with the e-mail phone number and then I think address actually. So I don't know, maybe they'll maybe they'll come out here. You never know. So there's a water cup on my desk that's about to spill from the microphone. Got it, saved it.

5:28 What's that song? Sun Sun Sun Microphone. But no, I was thinking about framing too because oh you're getting an unknown call, That's nice. I applied for insurance yesterday and I've gotten 14 calls between today and yesterday and I hate it and I don't even remember. I think I clicked on the website and they got my phone number somehow. I I'm never doing that ever again. No, no, I, I did that. They they came after me in a very, very big way. No, it's really. Very big way when I, when I, each time I went on, I would be and even after I signed up, I was just getting like when I did the Anthem one, they were just crazy.

6:08 Like that's what's happening. We can do better, we can do better. Mutual of Omaha, every single one. Well, The thing is, is they have leads and when you register, they buy the they buy the registration leads and they, they give the leads first to the people that paid for them and they give them like 24 hours. And then they sell them to a secondary, they sell them to a tertiary. And it's like, oh, these leads are 48 hours old. These are 72 hours. That means people have already pinged them twice, provided they're worth of crap. I can't wait for a week from now when I don't get 14 calls every day because today's been bad. You probably. Get. Well, what happens is. 7:00 this morning already. Sometimes it escalates. I got to stop answering. Yeah, yeah. Oh gosh, you never answer. That's, that's that will make it escalate every time.

6:50 I mean, unless you want to have them do you, but they'll, they'll, they'll commit you and they'll say, well, we can move forward here with your credit card. Then we'll just bill it right away. I mean, you cannot. Once you get into it, it's like you've you've, you've touched the pit of hell. Yeah, no, it's I feel like I'm a mist in the pits of hell now. But the framing wise remember when I did that brass rubbing in elementary school? It's hanging in our. Library, I mean, it's hanging in our our living room that. Was the my first experience with what it is to get something framed because I think we went to Michael's or something and I don't think Michael's does framing anymore. Do they? They it? I think they stopped. They do. No, Michael still does. They still do.

7:30 Color wheel was the one that doggy used to do. He he worked for them. I think he still does. He does all their framing. They do like, but he works at home, though. Yeah, but he gets the work from them and then he puts it together and it brings it back to them. So yeah. So it's like that. All these people subcontract out that stuff to to experts. I think that's so cool. Experts. Experts generally don't have a hey, we just do my name is Bob. I'll just do framing. So I opened a framing shop. Instead of that, they go to a big place and they say, hey, we'll do all your framing. I have a shop. I don't really need a, I don't want to deal with people and buying and selling stuff. I'd just rather do the work 'cause I'm really good at the work, not at the other side. And it's like, you know, you, you compartmentalize the things that you're better AT.

8:13 And that's that's one of the reasons it's gone that way. I love niche craftsmanship so much, specifically woodworking. I don't know why I have such an affiliate. I think every man in the world has a huge affiliation with woodworking. I don't know why I couldn't tell you, but if there's something about it that is just so enticing. On that line, we have three big wooden gates that go into the backyard and there's they're the western, the red western cedar. They are 1 is like a a giant. It's got a Round Top on it. It looks like, you know, and it's connected to stone walls and it's really cool one.

8:57 It's a single giant swinging gate. I've got another one that's like 224 inch, 30 inch swinging gates back and forth. And then I've got another two in the backyard and those are two swinging gates. I mean these gates probably weigh 5075 lbs. You really think they weigh that much, those things? Are the right, the, the one in the, the big one over there probably weighs, probably weighs over 100 lbs easy, you know, and, but we put those in in 2006. We have done nothing to them, nothing Western red cedar never, never sealed, never do anything. Because I talked to somebody and said, ah, you can seal it and then you got to seal it all the time to make sure it continues And, or you can just leave it out and see what happens. And it kind of Grays and it looks nice and, and now it is 2025.

9:47 So it's been 19 years and I'm replacing them. Yeah, I sealed them one summer. I remember that. I I did. That that's why you, that's why they're all messed up, 'cause you, you met, you sealed them. No, no, no. I think they lasted 900 years because I sealed them. Yeah, I got the water seal and then that was great. You remember. I think somebody said that, but, you know, once they've been already waterized, then, you know, and I, I don't really care, you know. That's kind of a good point. If you seal it after it's already been rained on it for 10 years, you're just holding it. Isn't it just like locking in the moisture? I would, I would think, but I'm not. I, I, I don't, you know, I'm not a wood guy. No. I know when you think about it. You know what I think is cool too is machinists. You don't really hear about them anymore. Machinists.

10:31 Doggy Doggy's brother's a machinist. And then I I have somebody in Florida. That's somebody that makes tools, right? Ken. Ken Robinson. He's a, he's a machinist as well. No. Well, it depends. I mean, he would make anything. His brother would make anything. I remember him saying something about making a light Saber. That's so cool. That worked. He made a light Saber that worked. So that's kind of cool. You know, the whole handle and everything and you know, you're like, but just the whole idea to take a piece of metal and make it round and cylinder impressive things. And the hand grip and then the silver button and the green button and do.

11:14 And when you start seeing people mix metals, it's like, I mean, when I see copper and I'll like an aluminum mixture together, it's just like, wow, that is so cool. Well, that was like the man that taught me science, the king of random me the YouTube channel, and he would turn a microwave into a spot welder and it was amazing stuff, really. Then he got into the what was it? It's the airplane thing where you have a fan on the back and it's like a go Kart and you have a parachute on. Top and he's dead. He was. 42 and he ran into a wall in New Mexico, died and he had three children and a wife and he was like maybe late 30s. I don't think he was 40 yet, but he taught me so much science. The king of random. He was great. His YouTube channel blew up the last 10 years. He died in like 2016 or 2017.

12:00 That was such a travesty because that was that really was the last time the tragedy. Not interested in science, that's what I just said. No, I went, I went to AI, went to a really good school. Tragedy. I just said that. What are you talking? About I thought you said travesty. No, I said tragedy, but I bit the side of my mouth yet 2 days ago and a hole in the side of my mouth does not feel great. You ever wipe the side of your mouth when you're sleeping? You ever do that? Yeah, I only want to get really fat or really drunk. Yeah, that, that's a fairpoint when? You're a little bit of both. You know, when I'm I'm, I'm, I'm flubbery and then my mouth drops. But now I wait. I I always wear these inserts so it doesn't matter. I I stopped doing it. I stopped wearing my retainer.

12:42 I. Stopped wearing the frame for my teeth my. Teeth fall around. Well, mine split in half. I lost the top part of it because it's split in half and then the other bottom part split in half. Oh wow, you order them again? When's the last time you framed something though? Me, I would say we framed. My gosh, we framed a lot of things. We we never framed your diploma when you graduate. UV No, that's funny. We never did that. It sits in the closet in the tube. I mean, I've asked you a couple of times and it's like 400 bucks to do it, but you're like, Nah, I don't want it. 400 Really. I think so. Yeah, you can. UVA will do it for. You, I got a deal on this, this one that I'm looking at, it's 100 bucks I think. Wow.

13:25 And it's small. It's about the size of a diploma too. Well, pick it up and show it to me. What are you talking? About I think I just didn't want to give UVA any more money. I think that that's what it was. I was, I was mad. I was like, I'd rather go to do a private frame. You want to see it, let me grab it. Grab it. Let's see here. Oh, I remember that. Yeah. That's. There were trees. Yeah. First thing I've ever done. Yeah, you're going to have a lot of those, huh? Yeah, I got the the postcard post or done for if we ever get an office. I don't really know office space in just day and ages. Is that what you're going to call? It, I don't know, that's a working title. Yeah, that's certainly a working title. But and totally, I really want to edit it because it's 90 hours of footage.

14:17 Yeah, you got to edit it. And then the title generally comes out of that. When you edit, when you edit and do that, do you have to have a storyline? I mean, do you think OK beginning? Because you generally have a storyline for narrative. This isn't narrative, this is Doc, right? So you really find the storyline within the documentary with what you shot. So the editing, it's funny because I, I think, I don't know, I said this before, but it's like the movie is not the director's medium. It's not the writer's medium, It's not the actor's medium. It's the editor's medium. Because the editor does everything, really. Yeah, the editor compiles all of the important things and then really tells the story. Who's the editor? We're looking for editors right now are. You going to be part. Of the, we have a couple leads and then I'm working.

14:58 I contacted translator today actually. Did you ping? What's his name? Who's what's his name? Ken Burns. No, no, no, not yet. I have. Done. I mean, if you're thinking about people. That I want to cut a trailer or no really a teaser first to have something no, because you when you contact somebody with empty kind of promises it's really not great that's why I've kind of learned is that if you contact people too prematurely they become disinterested right and it's like why would you contact them six months before you have anything or two months really it's going to be a month of a month or two so. You're going to have to put something together, otherwise you're going to be selling it through your mouth and you want to sell it through the. Actual medium? Exactly.

15:40 I like that. That's a that's a good idea. Having a physical thing to say. Prepared, yeah. Man, my mouth hurts. What's the difference between having an idea and a plan and actually having a prototype of something you want to do? 100%. It's a huge difference. When we did conflicts authority, when we were pitching, that is like we were talking about what we were going to build and they were like, yeah, can you show me something? Can you show me something? Can you show me something? Can you show me something without a prototype? I can't really, you know? And they always had all these different ways out of not funding. And so then we came up with a prototype and then it was like, well, this is really cool. That's the whole thing too. It's like a lot of, specifically with the entertainment industry, it's like, oh, it'd be great if you could help me do this. It'd be great if you could help me film this. And it's like, no, I've already done it. I've already done it and the whole idea is that if you've already done it, you should have some sort of representation that you actually did it instead of just saying I have 90 hours of footage.

16:42 I went there for 25 days and it's like, sure, you have the the Instagram post, but you don't have the actual teaser. You don't have the trailer. You don't. Have any cut right and putting that together is. Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. Wow. Oh my heart. God, I've been getting this heart thing. It's kind of annoying. I think I think it's the mold. Through your armpit. Yeah. But yeah, I framed that thing recently. And then you're going to frame the poster for the animated thing too. The animated thing is now done, animation is done. It needs to be edited together and then we're completely done with that with the the edit, and then it's going to be scored. I think Casey's been working on the scoring, which is great. I think about the, the cool things that we've had framed were, I remember the pictures of you when you were like 6 months old that we did out in the front yard. There's me and you and your mother family was there and we were all wearing suits and ties and all that kind of happy horseshit.

17:39 And, and we had a professional photographer come over and take the pictures and then we sent them out. We framed certain ones and you know, when you go framing and you pick the frame, you pick the color, you pick the backing or whatever it is, you pick like whatever the stuff is that goes around the, the, the inside. You know, how, what kind of hanger do you want? Do you think it'll need 2? Do you need one? Is it going to do this? And, you know, just like on and on, Do you want to put glass on it? No, I don't want to. What do you want to do with how do you want to be touchable? And then there's one we did a sampler. My grandfather had a sampler of his grandmother that was done in 1830. What is a sampler? A sampler is something that in the olden days, grandmothers used to sew things about their life.

18:24 And it was like a little, you know, story of some sort. And but she sewed it on a like a potato sack, you know, like a really rough potato sack. And you could see it And it was about, it was about two feet by by 1820 inches, OK. And it was literally disintegrating because it's 180 years old. So we took it, affixed it to a surface and said you're going to have to fix it if you want to get this to stay or survive. They do that. And then you put the backing. I mean, not the backing. What is it you put the like the? Little the mat.

19:04 The mat, you put the matting around it and the frame and the glass and everything like that, and then you seal and your vapor seal is this thing in so it doesn't rot anymore. I mean, just a gorgeous piece, but gave that to the sister because she wanted that. Who's the sister? Your sister. My sister Leslie, and then I remember my mother, had these two. She had an Audubon book of flowers and birds, beautiful beautiful pictures and it was Encyclopedia John Jay, Audubon, semi whatever. There were pages that were ripped out of certain things like 2 squirrels. There was another one that was a picture of a Lily I think it was. And I got the two squirrels and the two squirrels in my parents house were just sort of slapped into a frame and covered and I brought them home.

19:59 And then when I got them after my mother died in 90 No 2000, I had them reframed and took because there was there's a lot of residual smoke on it and everything like that that had and had to be literally pried apart. And then you take the and it was literally just, it's a piece in one page of a book. And that's what the that's what the picture was, But it was just like. I mean it the the dudes, the dudes paintings were just the Audubon paintings. Oh my gosh, the detail. I mean, the squirrels look alive and it hangs right in my front door. The Autobahn painting, what are you talking? About.

20:40 Yeah, yeah, It's an Autobahn painting. Let me see. I'll send it to you. I'll send a picture. Of it after this, is that the one in the hallway upstairs? No, downstairs as you walk out the front door on to the right. To the left is the Barrymore, the John Barry. And. If you look online you will see. John James Autobahn, is that what you're talking about? Yes, and if you look to the left. There's a of this style. There's a John Barry, there's a, a lithograph John Barrymore, right? Yeah. And if you look at online for him, there's like one painting that he did that's really famous. It's copied by millions of people and it's very difficult to find an original. And but she has a lithograph and it's like 71, but you don't know if it's it's actually truly from the original lithograph or it's just a stolen one.

21:30 But it still looks really cool and it's and it and it shows an old man standing next to a junked out car in front of his what it looks like his house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And always look at a granddad or. Something it was supposed to be a self-portrait of. Is it? I think it's Lionel Barrymore. Oh, Lionel Barrymore, that's who it. Is and if you think about the Barrymores, you and you start to look back, yeah, yeah, you look at like, what's her name? Who's the little he? Was also an actor John Barrymore and Lionel Barrymore, but the actors. But who's the one that's current? She has her own show. Both the graph Barrymore. Oh, Drew Barrymore. Yeah.

22:12 OK. No, it wasn't Lionel Barrymore. You're right. Because he signed lithograph prints. And this is the exact same style. Yeah. That. Lionel Barrymore. Yeah. Yep. Wow, you think about those old like all the different things. I mean, I'm looking around in here and I have, I have one printing a lithograph that Doggy's mother did and it's 2 flowers surrounded by a, a large leaf. It looks like, almost like a, a firm leaf. And we have it in blue. And then there's ones that you've done, but usually yours are on canvas and you just. I did a bunch of lithographs in your year. I'm just, no, I'm looking into ones like you painted.

22:54 You painted a mountain scene, you painted a weird square. You know, what do you call it? What is it, Van Gogh? It's Cubism. Reginald Marsh is my favorite, my favorite lithographer. If I remember correctly, Reginald Marsh was a really big guy there's. So many we're getting into photography now as opposed to, well, what's the guy named? Did those out in Utah? Oh, you mean in New Mexico? Are you talking about the photographer Ansel Adams? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's some cool stuff, 'cause the stuff is really, it makes you go there. I think that's sit in a chair for like a week and then.

23:38 Well, you would see what it all what what the picture looked like at different times of days and nights, different types of weather and then decide which one was the best. That was the thing I most looked forward to in elementary school was Mom used to come in and do these PowerPoint presentations with I think three other mothers. It was like the Arts Community committee or something. And they did Da Vinci and then they did Ansel Adams. Yeah, I think they did one other person, but I think they only did it twice or three times in 6th grade. But that was my, I think my favorite part of the entire six years that I was there. Yeah, that was great. And lunch. Yeah, I love the the Mexican pizza. No, no Friday lunches.

24:22 It's so. Weird. Oh yeah, that was good. But you don't remember Friday lunches. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I'm so hurt. I don't remember at all. No, I have no idea. Subway, Yeah. Well, all your friends like me because I'd always bring Subway and extra chips and they would be there and I remember that. No, yeah, I do. Yeah. But yeah. But that has nothing to remember Thanksgiving. Remember Thanksgiving lunch at the the elementary school? That was just nasty. It was like boot on a plate, you know, I. Remember eating and like how did the pilgrims survive? How did the Pilgrims survive this? It's amazing.

25:03 Oh, they survived by giving the Native Americans smallpox, and then they. Well, yeah, but you, you know, you you've never been hungry. No, Yeah, yeah, that's a very good point. I mean, so there's, there's like, I mean, that's the thing that we, we forget when we become choosy is that we, we have the opportunity to be choosy. And when we're not choosy, you know, it's like, that's why in the olden days, it used to be eats what's on your plate. And it's like, because there's nothing else. They never, they never finished that statement. And you'd be like, oh, as though you had a choice in what you could and could not eat. And parents would yell at you and be mean to make you eat what they served you. But in reality, it's all they had. So eat it, shut up or eat And, and they want to eat something and they and you know, and, and many parents knew like a basic, you know, vegetable, meat, carbohydrates, that kind of stuff.

25:59 I mean, that's kind of whatever that drove all the food, you know, So it's weird, you know, that we need organization. Tell us how to what kind of food we need and what whether or not we should or should not eat vegetables and fruits every day and all that kind of stuff like that. But I mean. Well, that was Big Dairy. When I was in elementary school, USDA sponsored public elementary schools and they had a food pyramid which had the milk as the biggest part of the pyramid. And they said you needed to drink at least three glasses of milk a day to be a healthy kid. And when I was a kid, you weren't allowed to drink water at anybody's houses. They only gave you milk. And when I asked for water when I was 6 through 9 years old, they told me go fuck myself. And it was just, it was crazy.

26:40 So is that what was that the exact words that the mothers used? Yes, exactly. But they would say, no, that's unhealthy. You can't drink water as a kid. And I'm like, that's the most ridiculous thing ever. And now you see the reverse of it. Big water is making people this big fad on hydration that you need way more water than you really need. They're like you need. 3 gallons a day a day. And I'm like, and you know who says that? Probably fucking Dasani. Dasani probably says that or Nestle. Because water isn't a human, right? And it's crazy. It's crazy. I love that I see Bill Burr thing where he's like, they they should kill that guy. He said. The CEO of Nestle says that, you know, hey, maybe we should get a maybe we should all get together and control the water, you know, and he goes like, water's not a right.

27:24 Oh my gosh. Not a human right? Yeah. Wow, that's that's that's very sad. I just. Don't know how we looked at the jungle as Neanderthals and said, you know what, let's make money. Let's make let's make us pay for this instead of making it free for everybody. Well, there's a, there's a sense that you get more choices when you do that and you start to you, you segregate your workflow. That's a, that's way too much complicated words. But what you do is you didn't have to survive completely on your own. You had somebody else that made wood for the house, somebody else that made roofing for the house that was better. Than the gatherers. Somebody else that would make that would, would give you would have the the seeds that you would need to grow the food because just otherwise you would have to gather the seeds yourself, dry them and and grow them yourself. So there's like, there's so many things that make distributed things like that easier and better. You know, it was like the Ford line. What do you call it when you invented the, what was it? The the.

28:34 Assembly line. Assembly line, yeah, I mean it's that, but I mean assembly line was really sort of a just thing, a change from what we were already doing with so many different things. In a line it was around the factory. But it was in a line and it was on one conveyor belt and didn't stop and all that kind of stuff. And that was that was the beginning of that, you know, so different, different thing. Yeah, most definitely. But I'm thinking of other frames. When you think about framing I, I would hear. Business plan is a frame frame for a business. Yeah. Well, that that would be a framing, a thought or framing a plan is where you get the outline of what you think it should be and then you, then you, then you, then you fill in the guts and the guts are different from framing. Can you frame that for me or, or the conversation? I'd like to frame that with, you know. Oh yeah, I I forgot about that.

29:30 If you think about that context, that's why when you first said it, I think it's funny that we started out this conversation on framing when 5 minutes before we had discussed multiple different topics and framing was not in any of them. So it was really just a shocker and that's why it is sort of. Awful. You know what just crossed my mind? Oh my gosh, silicosis. And if you inhale clay dust, you can get silicosis and die. And it's when you inhale clay dust or dust of some sort like cement dust. When I. Understand. Cement dust, Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I remember in high school, this guy, there's like, AI think somebody dropped a pot on the ground or something, and then it, like broke into a bunch of different pieces. But it wasn't like, I don't know. It wasn't, it didn't go through the firing process yet or something, but it was just dried out and cracked. And then he snorted a line of clay in front of the teacher and she was not happy.

30:28 And she said you can get silicosis and die from that. I thought that was hilarious. I guess if you were to snort a bunch of lines, but I mean the whole idea that I, I worked in concrete for a couple years and there was, there was a constant cloud of dust, you know, So you know, when you, when you, once you, when you do poured walls and then you RIP the panels off. Now the walls are oiled, but there's, there's a residue or a dust that falls around, you know, there's all that stuff. And when you're taking the pins and wedges out of the out of the aluminum panels, there's, you know, concrete gets around them and there's, you smash it and there's always everywhere and you're always breaking up bits of pieces and, and you're jackhammering pieces and you're not wearing a mask.

31:17 Nobody wore a mask and nobody even wore headphones or ear. Ear. Only pushing that that's ridiculous. That was the hole. Well that was like that was a construction mantra. I I remember that and we you. Know yeah the same thing when we moved to the wheel portion of ceramics this I remember this one kid would be trying to make a bowl and kids would throw balls of clay from across the room when he almost completed the bowl and he was like taking the wire to cut it off the thing off the wheel and just. Destroy the ball every time. I don't think I've never made a bowl the whole semester. The teacher, you're horrible. No, the teacher was mad at me too because I never made a bowl. And I was like, do you not see what happens? Every day for the past six months in this class, I make a bowl and then she they throw the balls of clay from across the room, destroy the bowl on the wheel and never made anything. Because it was always destroyed and. Then she just thought I was too stupid to make a bowl I guess. Or just too, too inherently terrible at ceramics that she just gave me somebody else's bowl. And then somebody said that's that's my bowl. And I said, yeah, the teacher gave it to me. He's like, can I have a bag?

32:27 And I'm like, yeah, you can I have a bag. It was interesting. Yeah. It was such an interesting. Really. Yeah, that's what happens. I always thought it was you were too stupid to make it so. I'm really stupid, I'm not going to lie, but what is, what is on your hat? What does that say? So it seems like Bond shot. It's Beaver Creek. Beaver Creek. Yeah. I got to wear this now. I got that whole head cancer thing, you know the pre cancer. You do. I've seen that thing on the top of your head. It's not good. So I got to put, so I got to wear a hat. They told me to wear a hat and put some stuff on it and all the stuff and it'll go away. And it's not real. It's it's, it's doctor stuff. So no big deal. I don't know, they call it practicing medicine for a reason, but yeah, I've been. When I moved here, I felt my scalp burning all the time. Yeah, I felt it burning because I don't think. Wear a hat.

33:15 The top here has wear a hat used to the. Sun. Yeah. Well, you gave me the gift of having thin hair. Same with Granddad, who's dead and. No, I think he gave it all to you, man. He he beat you. Really. Bad. Yeah. He beat me up genetically with that, yeah. Yeah, well that. Kind of ran it. Kind of ran half in their family and then not weird. Right. Having. Yeah, I think so, because half the brothers have it, half of them don't. Yeah, I think when. You think about when I think about framing, I just look at your head right now and I look, do you see yourself in the reflection? Yeah, right above your head is what, Squidward? And he's looking through a window frame. It looks like he's looking through the wall. Yeah, it looks.

33:56 Like he's like looking in from the outside wall and that's like a window frame. That's what I was saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's the point of the the tapestry is if you look at it, if you get it tight enough on the wall or taut enough on the wall that it it gets, it appears that it's coming through the wall, which I. Think how do you teach tapestry? How do you teach tapestry? Or get it tight enough you need nails. You said you taught it. You're funny, you're a funny guy. But I digest here and so head cancer. How's that going? Oh, that has nothing to do with the. What do you call those things? Do you hang on the wall? Oh, OK, so you don't want to talk? About that France, No, no, it's just like it's, it's I think it's a very common thing that is you get older, that you get these spots, age spots, whatever and they're moles or whatever and they start to grow. And if they start to grow, that means that that you could at some point possibly develop skin cancer. And that's why, oh, that's why they call it free. Which I mean, in reality, everything's precancer that doesn't have it right.

35:03 Yeah, I mean, hey, exactly. This, this cup. This cup is precancerous. OK, There's probably more things that go into calling it that than what it is. Saying it's precancerous means that at some point, inevitably, it will become that if you don't do anything with it. Exactly. You get scraped off your face. All that means is like do something. So you do something and you don't have to do a lot to make it not happen. And you don't have to like people will go on and on and worry about, you know, oh, oh, I have this and that and the other. And it's like I, I just, I don't have that many years left in my life to focus on stuff that might happen.

35:47 I agree. Don't take, don't take the small thing or the big thing slightly or something like that. Yeah, yeah. You know what I read there though, in Mongolia, I read Treasure Island. Really. I read that book. Good book. I think it's an interesting choice to be a Mongolian read about Treasure Island. Well, I came up with an idea since the studios are wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on movies. You go to Mongolia, you build an ocean, and then you make a pirate movie in Mongolian in the landlocked country. What do you think about that? It's not the stupidest thing I've heard. Right, you can make the frame. You could frame there we go, the ocean.

36:27 You could frame the ocean and there make a big giant. So who would you hire? Would you hire that guy that did the bamboo frame to frame it? Either that guy or, you know, what I was thinking too, is Michael Fassbender, but he plays 30 different characters. And then there's like Robert Downey Junior, who plays one character. So it's say it's like a pirate ship, right? Michael Fassbender is every pirate on the ship. And then who is he? He's Assassin's Creed. He is Prometheus. He is that movie that just came out. The killer he is that didn't just come out. That came out like a year ago. I think he just did something else like the black suitcase or something like that. Yeah, yeah.

37:07 But I think. He does a lot of murder flicks. Would you consider the prequel to Alien a murder flick? I don't know. I think it's sci-fi, yeah. Sci-fi killer All of. That I liked the prequels. People said they were bad. I liked them. That was the first rated R movie. Ever. I didn't see them. They were. Good. I mean, I did the original 1 and that was really good and I think I've watched pieces of the other ones, but it's like I don't really. I don't get a rise out of sci-fi horror is what I look at it. Well, if you think about it too, Alien really framed the whole sci-fi horror genre. I think that it really did what Ridley Scott did. Is that Ridley Scott? Alien?

37:48 Yeah. Yeah, right. OK quote. Anyway to look it up, I need to watch the duelist. Apparently. That's really good. Never saw that duelist. Yeah, that's Ridley Scott's first feature film, 198070 something. That's not is that with John Wayne. No, no, this was with two other guys and they were sword fighters. OK, because the one I'm talking about is. This is not a Western. John Wayne was It was the last movie he made and he had cancer. 1977. What was the one that John Wayne did? This is Ridley Scott. Oh, the duel. Wait, no. Adapted from the duel The Duelists. And this is Harry or Harvey Keitel and Keith Carradine. What's his name looks?

38:39 Really good. John Wayne. Such an interesting movie. What is Harvey Keitel doing these days? I don't know. He's old. Yeah, how old? 86 His shootist. Wow. That's what it was, not the duelist. That's the one I was thinking of. Sounds like a he did and you know when he did it 76 and you said what's his name said? No, that's funny. That's funny. It's where he's an aging, he's played an aging dying gun fighter. And the final scene is him shooting everybody up. And it was really kind of wild because he had he, he sees Jimmy Stewart. Jimmy Stewart makes fun of how he's going to die and says that, you know, and he gives them to Lauden. And that's the first time I heard of the words to Lauden and said, what's that?

39:26 It's an opium derivative and I've had a lot and I've had it shot in my spine when I had problems and it was like. They put it into your spine. Probably not. And your vein. No, they gave, they were, they were giving me the drip and they gave me three shots and it didn't make any difference. And then it was like, and then I was still jumping off the table and they're like, it's like you got any more and they're like, well, no, we'll kill you if we do. That's upsetting. OK, what are we? What are you? What are you going to do now? We're going to send you home. We're going to send you out. Yeah, we're going to itemize the. We're not going to itemize these receipts. And what we're going to bill you for is $40,000. No, it was. It was. We're in the. Hospital. It was all afternoon. It was around 9800. Oh, only that's kind of shocking. And, and, and they did absolutely nothing and they gave me multiple shots of the law and then they said to get all. And then they said they're going to, they're going to release me. And I just turned and got up off the table and they're like, you can't you, you shouldn't be able to what? And then it was like, what?

40:26 I was fine. But the man in the car, Zach, when he was nine years old, saw you screaming. I remember that. You remember that? Oh. Yeah, this is the. That's the thing I'm talking. About is that pre or post? Oh, that's probably pre. I pre saw you go to the hospital. You saw me before I went to the hospital, you just after I was at the hospital for hours, you know, doing my screaming thing. That was great. Framing the screaming. I don't think I've ever seen so many that much pain in my life. I don't think I, well, I mean, I. Heard them when they called in as they have a they have a gauge of where you are in pain right? And the firefighter guy or a paramedic goes 10 out of 10, 10 out of 10, because I am like ready to pass out because I'm screaming. And he goes and he's remember how he talked to me. Slow you're breathing down, Slow you're breathing. He was, he was like, he was actually really good at his job. Well, I remember they couldn't move you because every time they moved you, you would scream.

41:28 Did they drop you on the ground? On the on the on the stairwell, yeah, but. Yeah, that's what I thought. Whatever. But I went to when I went to my doctor and I said, So what, what? What does all that mean? And he goes, well, a gunshot wound is 6. I'm like, oh, and he said you had 10 out of 10. And he said, I heard you when you called. And I didn't answer the phone, but I heard you through the phone. Oh my God. He said. I was in the room when they picked up the phone and I heard you on the phone. Wow. And he's. Like what do you think that was from? Well, it was the IT was the bone pushing into my spine. My the, the, the the central nervous system of your whole body.

42:17 But that seems. Like you don't just do that. Like that doesn't just happen from aging. Like that happens from. Well, I guess it flaked off or, you know, I'm falling apart or something like that. But you were like 40 something or were you 50? I was in my 50s, yeah. Well, I mean, you were 50 something. Yeah, you would think. Do you ever remember what it was from? They never had any idea they. They ended. Up doing back surgery and they cleaned it out and that was it that that's what it ultimately that's what ultimately fixed it so to. Speak and that just seems so random that you you think that there's a reason why. They call it, they call it a floating fragment and it was a just a piece of the inside of your spinal, which is bone breaks off, floats in the spinal fluid.

43:01 And periodically you have your, you know, you have your, your spine going down and in the middle of your spine is all the nerves of your body. So each time it pokes into there, it's like, I can't really describe it because it's, it's sort of like you cannot, there's certain, like I've had lots of pain that, that, you know, if you hit your finger with a, a hammer or something like that, it hurts and you scream and all that. But this is so it's, it's total body. It it wasn't. I mean, I have like finger hit. I have like I hit, I have like hit me in the head with a baseball.

43:42 I've been hitting the head with a bat. I've been hitting the shoulder with a bat in the arm. I've broken my ankle. I've been, I've ever been stabbed, well, not really deeply stabbed, but just lightly stabbed. I I've been I've all sorts of little things that are many times and and up until that point, the most worst thing I ever had done was I had a. Weird thing. The index finger, I had a, a splinter go all the way up to the, the quick and I was 8 years old and they decided to snip. They, they either had to put me to sleep to take it out, which then they said they didn't have anything that could deaden my arm or they had to cut.

44:26 What was it? They had to put me to sleep or they could just do it all. Not sure out. And, and I was like, I don't, I don't know whatever you think. And so they're like, well, you know, operating room in the whole canine yards. And my mom didn't have the money for that kind of stuff because it would have been more. So I sat on this nurse's lap and another nurse sat on her and they held my and then they had somebody hold my arm. And then the doctor held my finger and he would snip and I would scream. He would snip and I would scream. He would snip and I would scream. And he literally cut my fingernail off 1 snip at a time right down the middle, over to the side. And he removed it and he raked the what was behind the fingernail with a a thing to get because it wouldn't release the. Cutter wouldn't release.

45:13 Because it actually was in it. So that was up until that fragment, the most worst thing I'd ever felt. But even that, well, that's. The idea that. Was that? That was very crazy. People slammed my finger in a door. And then do you remember the thing that heats up to about 1000�� and they touch your fingernail and then it drills the hole straight through and then it like you don't feel it at all, 'cause it's on your fingernail? Yeah, you, you really could have used that. Then it's like heat up a needle. Yeah. It would have been great. That would have been that would have been that. I'm surprised. They didn't do something like that. That seems very like, well, this is like 6D. Seven in Alexandria Hospital it it was like an emergency because it you know, and nobody could do anything with it because it was like it was in a place that a little kids finger, you know, what are you going? To do Yeah, they.

46:04 Didn't you know, they didn't have that kind of experience? And Oh my gosh, that it was it was A and I, I'd have a, you know, nothing hurt like that. Nothing. I mean, I kicked those nurses bruised. I didn't do it on purpose. I just my feet were were just flapping like this back and forth and I had a square leather shoes on at that point, but there were bruises on the lady behind me. The other they just looked at me with like looks of horror. That's I freaked them out, you know, because it was like I and I was I, I, I screamed so much I couldn't cry. And then and then when it ended, it was like within 5 minutes. It didn't hurt.

46:51 Bandage it up, go home. Nothing. I don't think nothing, no big deal. Let it grow back. Never a problem. I never, I never had it not stick or anything like that. No problem. Now the back, the back was literally years it. It made my whole body jump that fragment just that well I remember. Seeing you just driving for years and I think you had sciatica. I think sciatica was something that was a after kind of deal for you for a while or. Whatever the little ball is that hardens up in the left hand side. Is that sciatica? Because it runs down your leg, right? Yeah. That's sciatica. Yeah, that's sciatica. Because I get that when I'm on a plane, if I sit for a long time down my left leg from my from my left cheek basically goes down to my ankle.

47:39 And if I don't stand up and like move it then it gets it hurts. Yeah, well, I wonder if it's because we have, you know, I have like no ass, hamstrings, all my stuff tight. Hamstrings I think is a big part of it. Well, you knew that I'm tighter than Wow. Yeah, I think tight hamstrings is a big part of it, because then it's really activating that. Do you think that's liquor consumption? Well, I think the dehydration that comes from alcohol consumption is not helpful to your. Muscles 'cause I always. Thought dehydrate your body a big. Thing and I have my whole body is just nothing but lactic acid. Yeah, no, the dehydrating. Life. Is really, really bad. I would say so 'cause what is it too?

48:20 It's like alcohol stunts your protein synthesis in your muscles, which is your ability to create protein through ATP, right? And then by 25% compared to normal protein production from ATP. You're you really want making me want to go to the liquor store right now. Right, it helps. So how can we frame that? How do we frame that? Drink a bunch of protein? Drink a protein shake with a tequila in it. That's what I would say. Tequila protein shake. Why haven't they made that yet? I don't know. But on that note, I think we're are we wrapped up here? What are we at? I don't know. We could be. We're at like 4849, almost 50 minutes. That sounds like a good place to stop. Well. Let's ask that question one more time. When you think about framing, what I mean in summary, we talked about in the beginning about actually making the wooden frame.

49:07 We talked about the, the, the idea of framing different topics and subjects and the way that you frame it. We, we can look at our little presentation here and we have the framings of our faces, but are we leaving anything out maybe framing houses? We didn't, we didn't talk about that. I, I, I, I did work on framing a house once, but that's, that's another summer, that's another construction job, but it was actually an addition. It wasn't a whole house. And we did the outside. It was really I am an incredible carpenter's helper, but I can't do anything. You know, I I I would never settle about to do it myself because I need direction when it comes to things like that are that are built.

49:49 Measure twice, cut once. That's what you. Say, well, yeah, but everybody says that. But yeah, I always measure twice and still cut it 1/2 an inch. Cut 7 times. Well, no, I always get, I get, I get worried, so I add an eighth of an inch every time because I'm worried if I cut it too short, it's no good. So I cut it a little longer because I feel like my measurement's shitty. And then I take it there and I put it in and it's too tight and it's too tight and it's too tight. And then I cut it because I get frustrated because I go back the third time and I cut like a foot off the board and it's too short. And I, and I know I do this, but I still do it because I'm like, I want it to fit perfectly and every so off, every so often it does because I measured wrong and me making a little long makes it fit perfectly. But, but most of the time I just don't trust my measurement skills.

50:43 So it's really kind of funny and I go through that process like all the time. That's like, why is this so? Why is it shorter? I cut it three times. Maybe that's the problem? Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, yeah. Well, as always, reckon myfather.com, check us out YouTube, Instagram, face, not Facebook, but find us wherever you listen to podcasts. All right, see you later. Party. Oh man.