Episode 113: Siblings

0:09 Welcome back. Well that was weird flashlight that messed me up. Welcome back to a record of my father. I'm back from Mongolia. Was just there for 25 days. You guys have been listening to the pre recorded episodes that we have been doing for the past three weeks. Is this cool? That's all right. It's OK. OK. I'm 3 out of 10 on the flashlight in the camera, but it was good. I slept on the ground for about 20 of the 25 days. No, it was really more than that. 23 of the 25. I think we had two hotel days in there. I thought you said you got you got to sleep on plywood. It was like wood, Yeah. It was like a wood thing with like a thin layer mattress and really hard work. 14 hour days a lot and then really a lot of 10 hour days too.

1:00 But it went really well. Everything went really, really well. There were really no bad parts of it. The. I think there there there was 1 bad. Really. Really. Oh yeah, food poisoning, yeah. No, no, you, you grew a mustache. Oh yeah, I trimmed it so it doesn't look like a parenthesis. No, I just posted a thing on the on LinkedIn and and people were like, you know, great picture. What in the hell is that thing above you? Good Caterpillar. 'Cause you look just I mean your your, your stache looks a lot like mine. It does. It really does. And you wear glasses and I wear glasses and, and you have the big forehead and the whole, all the is just, it's kind of comical. The big forehead does seem to be a Yeah, it's a, it's a well, you have to, you know, it's kind of funny. I never noticed until right now.

1:50 You have the nodule in the middle, this thing, the thing that like right here? Yep. So I don't. Did you hit yourself in the head as well really hard? Well, when I was a kid, I was probably hit baseball at least 8 or 9 times 'cause you know, I mean, I was probably nearly as uncoordinated as you. I'm bad. Where I would always get the glove up to here and the ball would hit me. I was, I, I was a catcher. I don't know how many times. I would say at least three times. I can specifically remember where I flipped off the mask 'cause you're supposed to flip off the mask to see the ball.

2:31 I don't think you're supposed to. You told me that. I don't think you're supposed. I, I that's how I was taught. OK, I don't know what the I don't know what the rules are. This is like single a AA, AAA majors ball. I flipped the mask off. I step, I step out three steps. The guy had hit a fly ball up in the air or something. I was trying to catch it and he throws the bat and it hits me in the fucking head. You know when it's like, wow, I, I, I never caught the ball once when I got hit in the head with a bat for some reason. Well, that's why I'm saying leave the. Mask. I had a lime drive that hit me right there. It just dropped me. It was one of the few times that I got hit in the forehead and I just fell forward. I didn't fall backwards.

3:15 Think about that. When you get hit that hard, you're so you're like your, your brain is so like, dude, I'm not even done growing yet and you're trying to kill me here. And then it hit me in the head and it dropped, you know? So you go like, wow, that's oh, wow. But it's going back. To Interesting. Yeah. Oh yeah, We're talking about siblings, right? Siblings. That's what this episode is. Yeah, we were talking about siblings and we got into this because you have a funny mustache. And we started talking about history and then we started talking about big foreheads and then we started talking about pointy foreheads. Your pointy forehead walk because you, when you were really, really young, you did not know to put your hands out in front of you because you were too stupid.

3:56 You would just walk. You'd walk on. And for the life of me, you would never fall on a carpet. You would never fall on anything soft. You would wait until we were on stone rock, something like that. Yeah. And then you would be like, hey, I wonder what my dad will do when he hears my pumpkin head almost crack again. It's. It was, it was like. You would jump. You would. Jump. It was the weirdest, weirdest, sickest sound. Hearing your child's head hit the ground, seeing him do it because he's literally 2 feet from you or three feet from.

4:36 You that was like the infamous video of the neighbor riding the bike off the rock. And he, you remember that video? You remember the video? You remember the rock in the front yard where the tree is and. Oh, yeah, rode the bike off. And I think it was from about like 5 1/2 feet onto the forehead. And it was crazy. Yeah, I don't remember that. That was, oh, that noise. The good old days. I know what you're talking about though. Who was that? I don't remember. It wasn't Sergey, it was Sean. Or. It was one of the two either. OK, I don't remember. Because it was just, it was absolutely like what? Straight on to the forehead and that was but that made a noise too that not great and then you got the the.

5:20 Yeah, we got the big boulders coming around the corner here. I I was thinking about the one out in the middle of the yard, but he goes out of. Frame. He goes out of frame and then he comes back in frame and it's just a split down the center of his head. And it was crazy, Yeah. Yeah. Crazy times. Yeah, crazy. They could have sued us times, man. They didn't. They still can. Can you really see somebody if you're? You know. Rides off a rock. In their yardage, absolutely you can sue anybody for anything and all that kind of stuff and, and I've seen that and, and I've never had it happen to me and I would never do that to anybody else. But you have your you're Speaking of siblings, your wife's brother, my wife.

6:04 No, your mother's brother. His son was doing the trampoline with with innate with. One of the father's best friends were jumping up and down on a trampoline and the kid jumped over the net, landed, broke his shoulder. Oh, that's not that bad. And they sued their best friends. That's kind of messed up. That's kind of messed. Up I would I don't think that's kind of messed up, but I think that's totally you're just. You just learned a new revenue strategy. You have a kid and then you befriend everybody in the neighborhood and then you buy the friend a trampoline for their own yard. Not you.

6:45 You don't buy a trampoline for your yard, you buy them for your friend or that your kids friends, and then you make them go over there and then you teach your kid how to jump on the trampoline wrong. And then you make a bunch of money. It's kind of a good idea. Think about that. Remember your trampoline. Strategy. I do remember that. Yeah, I remember we had a, we had a skate park in the backyard and the skate park was, it wasn't just like a 2 flat, it was a, it was 74 feet by 34 feet. There was a 16 foot 54 roll in. There was a 2 flat, 2 stairs with two roll offs and also 1/2 pipe.

7:28 I mean, it was. Like I love the the depiction it was. Wacko crazy. Nobody got hurt. But we also, we also had a jumpy downy thing. Oh yeah. And I had an insurance agent guy come out and he said he was talking to me about getting a, a, a, a big policy for everybody. Because our lawyer said if anybody's going to play on the skate park, you need them to shine this release and sign this. And the parents have to sign this and the kids sign this. And I said, well, will it matter? And they're like, no, but it'll scare them. And I'm like, I'm not going to do that. The kids are going to come over and play in my yard. And if they get hurt, well, they get hurt. Who cares? Nobody ever did. Nobody ever did. My my but. Which was kind of crazy. My the insurance agent guy, when he comes over, he looks out and he goes, I don't care about the skate park, you know, just like anything else we would we would pay out and then we cancel. Yeah, you know if a kid got hurt like really bad, but that the jump you'll be down anything, he said. We paid our biggest amount out ever for that. And if we knew that was here, I like the way you said that. If we knew that was here and he's looking at it in my backyard, he goes we would cancel you immediately, no questions.

8:44 So we paid 5 million out for that. Wow, that's crazy. And I was like thinking like, oh God, I bet I could get rid of that. And I remember within a week I saw you and all your friends moving it over to my 24 foot. No, that was not the. You guys moved that over 'cause it was originally next to in the center. Yeah, it was in the center of the yard and you guys moved it over there. We never made that because you had to build the skate park there and you had to put it somewhere. That was on you guys. I, I thought it was farther away and I saw, I remember seeing Wes and somebody else and somebody else pushing it closer so they could jump from the top of the I don't. Think so, I don't remember the tree. House and the tree house was three stories, so you were jumping. 2/2 right?

9:36 Well, it was 8. Oh, on the rail. And then eight on top of that. So it was 16 and then from 16 feet you would have to climb up a 4 foot railing. So it was 20 feet. You could stand on it and so maybe it was only 16, but 16 feet jumping down into that, there's no way you would stay inside. You need to go through it or you go all the way down and you go out and you go out and most likely it'll land on your neck. It's not a professional one either. So you go through it? Probably, yeah. Yeah, but it was just like, and I, when I saw that, I was like, oh, crap. And then I, I pulled it over closer to the fence and then we gave it away and didn't even notice it. You know, we just, it was just easy. We put it on Craigslist, said Free. When you say free, a lot of people do. You know you ever do.

10:23 I had people trying to negotiate with me for it and I was like, no. What do you mean negotiate? Is it, do you have what colors is it? Is it is it 8 feet or is it 9 feet? Is it 7? If it is it 12 inches tall? Is the net complete? Does it have every is there any little holes in it? And I'm like no. I got, I got like, well, they didn't believe it. They didn't. Well, no, no, no. It was like I got 10 questions. Like it was weird. I got one question, one question. I'll take it because I said this is free. I wanted to go to the first user.

11:04 You got to pick it up by this weekend. And this was on a Thursday. And the third person said I'll take it, I'll be there. You pick the time on the weekend, right? So, and then I get like question and then these people and I answer the question. I, I, I, I was like, it just, it just shocked me that the level of questions that someone was going to. And, and I guess that, you know, we and people like you could have sold it for $250. And I'm like, yeah, but and then someone takes it to their house and puts it together wrong and breaks their neck and. Well, that was like we gave away the the swing set. Oh, the swing set. For free. And the guy I think cried or something, he's like, yeah. 'Cause he got it for his grandson. And that was that was actually a lady that lived in Springfield and her kid was in the 6th grade and she was into gymnastics and she liked to jump up and she couldn't afford 1. And it was like, I mean, it was perfect. She came here in like Avw Rabbit and put the whole damn thing in the back and tied it over the top. And all the wood were big too, I remember. It was the wood was no, that guy was a U PS: guy. He worked at our house all day long and he had it. He brought a cart and he and he lugged it all off. Well, that was that was like a $12,000 thing and it was free. It makes sense, Yeah.

12:24 Oh. Yeah, yeah, 612, something like that. I don't remember. It was a big giant wooden one with a tower in it and all this other kind of stuff, and it had a hanging rope. It had all sorts of cool. Oh, the I remember. Sandbox in the middle. It Oh, we did have a sandbox, yeah, underneath the the birds watch kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. We used to go up there and smoke weed when before you were 4, you know, Really. Whatever, no, that'd be great. Go get drunk calling. It you know when you climb on the roof and try to kill yourself. Oh yeah, I climbed on the roof a lot. I remember when I started doing that. And then trying to climb across the top and everything, and then you just didn't use it anymore. It's like, well, we're getting this, well, let's do this, let's do this. And I was sort of one of those people that's like, I'm not going to leave junk in my yard until I. Die same things wanted rusted out cars in the yard and you are always against that and I I don't know there's. I still am.

13:15 I still am because I'm like thing about it guy that I really. Like to have rusted out cars in the yard? I don't want, I don't want any of that to happen. I I'm just not into it. No rusted out cars, huh? But I think me being an only child kind of gave me all the love, right When I was young, I wanted, I wanted a brother. I want a sister. And then as I got older, I saw people around me that were miserable, that had brothers and sisters. And I said, well, isn't it great not to be miserable? And then here I am still an only child. You haven't adopted yet. So that's kind of interesting. And that you know of. But anyway, we have, I mean, the interesting thing about us is that I have well, two brothers and one sister, one brother deceased.

14:02 My wife has two brothers and one sister and our siblings. So we're like 4 kids in a family, right? Each one of us had that. And then we have a kid. Only one kid. You. But we had you at 39. So you were late. You were late to the game. And you were eight AF. Yeah. Well, you were really unexpected. You know, we were. We were. You were absolutely shocked when you came. And we could have gotten another one. I mean, we could have gone to Walmart and bought another kid. Did you ever think about adopting even Marcus? No. No, every. I think we have ever thought about it. We talked, I don't know if we talked about it, we might have talked about it in the mid 30s when we were like 30 something because it appeared as though we couldn't have kids. And, you know, and then it's like, well, you know, you're, you're OK and she's OK.

14:53 But sometimes it just doesn't happen. And you're like, you know, we went through all the stuff for measuring and you take your temperature and you do all this other happy horseshit. Interesting years, years. And you're just like, I'm ready. Let's fuck get hard now. You're like, OK, I mean, that's that's the way it is. When you when you want to, when you want to procreate and you've tried randomly for years, then all of a sudden it's like you got to go scientifically. And if it's scientifically, it's like I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready.

15:35 And you know, there's nothing sexier than someone just going, I'm ready. I like that you want to hear about the best. I always love when I hear that it's more of a my mother and father and how they procreated me. I'm ready. I always love a mechanized kind of thing about yeah, we gave up. We gave up. But you were, you were, you were like a. Random thing that just came out of nowhere that just sort of shot. But anyway, as far as the siblings go, I mean, the thing that's kind of interesting is that I know a lot of people with siblings and I know a lot of people that have various relationships with their siblings. I would say I probably know nearly as many people that dislike strongly one of their siblings as much as those that just get along with all of them. Usually there's there's a piece of shit in every pile, you know, and I think, you know, in, in, in, in many piles, there's the and and there's also a pecking order, you know, who's this, that the other and, and and there's a lot of that stuff that goes on.

16:38 But, but, but the greater scheme of these, I mean, the one thing that I feel it as an advantage is to having a siblings is that and I love my brothers and sisters. The, the, the, the fact that when I was younger and small and we were poor, I had some defensive mechanism. My brothers stuck up for, stuck up for me when they were around, but they weren't always around, you know, And so my sister did too. She's the one that got me out of jail at least couple times. A few times we'll say a few. We won't say a couple because we. Got to be. It's more than two. Is that a? Is that a? Few when you have no brothers or sisters you got to be really self involved. You got exactly. Because there's no. Test you didn't you didn't see my brothers. I had one brother that was making explosives at the home. OK, that was the challenge.

17:28 That was the oldest. I had another brother that was outgoing, friendly and he started working full time job and saving money when he was like 5, you know, so I had a mixture of them. And then I had a sister who could not get AB if she tried. She was just, she was exceptional at homework. She did everything. She was very, very strict by the rule book person the whole time, very amazing. So each one had amazing qualities. I mean, my, I mean one the, the, the, the brothers passed away. He was the most amazing math person I would ever see. And I remember him talking about did I ever tell you when he said he wanted to be a teacher?

18:08 And I was just like, Oh my God, because I heard him, I heard him try to teach my, my sister once It's 7. Can't you just see it? What, what, what, what's wrong? You know? And meanwhile you see, you see the formula across the board. It's like, you know, two X ^2 -, 74 / Z / X + 3 times the, the sine of the cosine of the 17 of the four of the three of the two. It's, it's literally a foot long thing with, with multiple different layers to it. And he figures it out in his head and you're just like, how do you do that?

18:49 But when you ask him to, I mean, he could write it all out if you could slow him down enough, but he would get really frustrated when you would tell him like what? It's like Rain Man Rain Man teaching you through his head with no writing. But also like you develop, you develop things that like I had AI had a list of formulas that I remember in 8th grade that I could do arithmetic and things like that, that I could, I could add things and subtract things faster than the teacher could. And he got like, how'd you do that? And I just showed him this weird backward ass way. And he's like. So you're saying you were Rain Man when you were in second grade? No, no, I had some quirky qualities, you know, and there's, I, I had all sorts of weird stuff like that, Like I can write, I can write when I focus and, and I can write pretty well.

19:40 And you seem to be able to write really well. Yeah, I'm a genius, You know, I mean, it's hard to say, but, well, it's, it's I'm really, really smart. I but I have to it's it's one of those things that's very hard for me to do. You know how you read. Yeah. You could focus on reading. If you can do that kind of focusing on writing, it's you can. You can write exceptional shit. Oh, if you can read, you can. You can write about 80% of the time I would say because your your writing ability really depends on how much you read. The best writers are the best readers. It's just a fact and anybody that disagrees with you is a liar. Well, there's, there's, there's, there's also the depending upon what you're writing about, it's like me, I'm more of a story guy. So I tell stories and, and I'm, I've always been pretty good at telling stories and, you know, making the, the highlights and making them low lights and, you know, cadence and, you know, beginning, middle end and how to get people bored. You're yawning.

20:40 No, no, I've had. That's the reason you didn't have any siblings. I've had your suggestion since I got back and also you keep interrupting me. We keep talking over each other, 'cause we're not. You're not saying? You're you're not a sibling of mine, that's why. Because if you were a sibling of mine, you still would probably talk over me. But no, no, I'm not yawning. I've had indigestion actually since I got back. Even before I was there. It was a very bad gas problem. I don't know what it is. I don't know. It's like. Did you were just walking around going? To I think I'm freaking what is it lactose intolerant 'cause they give you unpasteurized milk about it every meal there and in the with the nomads and I got food poison one day.

21:24 I don't think it's a parasite, but you never know. I do feel, I don't feel weird. I don't know. I feel like I have chest pains though, about like once every four days, which is interesting. You. Should get that checked, of course. Yeah, I got to get a new you. Already know whatever you know what to do. But I feel fine today. I feel good today. Yeah. Which is good. Yeah. But you should. You should. No, I was not yawning those. I have gas. I have the gas, man. It's bad. Well, you know, I mean, it's like you got that characteristic from your brother. I'd rather you. I don't know who that is, man. Well, maybe. Do you wonder if that is one of the reasons that you and I are closer is because there isn't? 100%.

22:07 That there isn't that other because if there was you and and and Bob or Sheila or Harry or whoever the hell I mean, then it there would be a split focus, whereas there's only you. If you're only child, your parents or your best friends, I would say a large percentage of the time. Do you think? They're your first friends that you have. I mean, they are. That's how it works. Or do they hate you? They it's one of the two, it's really either they like you or you. Have you have friends that are the only kids and or they're two kids and they love one and hate the other? Oh, yeah, that's always kind of the thing. Like they all the parents always say I love you equally. That's just not true. That's just a lie. That's just a lie every time. That's a lie I've never seen. In any case, with friends that have brothers and sisters, that one is not love more than the other. I've never seen that it's ever equal. I've never seen.

22:56 It's different. It's, it's, it's and it's truly different when you think about it, because it's like they, they, you know, they see you at a different time in their life. You know, when your mother's 19 and she's barely making it meat and you're, and you're popping your head out of her, the JJ, you know she does not have the same amount of time as she does when she's 40 and you know your kid #4 is 3 or 4. She's got Oh, I she knows more. She knows all the announce how to do the right thing. Well, the first kid is always a trial as well. The first kid is always a trial. They're always reading books about how not to mess the first one up, but you always kind of mess the first one up anyway.

23:38 It's kind of the way that works. We did so. Yeah, well, you think about baby crocodiles because you have baby crocodile, you leave after a week after they're born. It's crazy. I don't know. Think about that. Think about the youngest too, because the youngest is just a mistake. That is kind of true. The youngest was like, damn it. The youngest is a mistake. I'm the youngest and you're you're the oldest and the youngest. So you got to be both. The oldest and the I did get to be both and the middle child too. I got to be the middle child as well. Because you get to be like, The thing is that I, that I can see from your perspective is that you had no boundaries. You had no one to like. And if you wanted someone to hang out with and do things with, you had to go do it. Whereas me at the very, at the worst, you know, on Christmas Day and all the other times, I always have somebody.

24:21 There's always somebody, there's always a brother or sister, cousin or uncle, whatever. The hell. No more cousins and uncles. I I see them almost non existent. But I see her side being married to being married to my wife. She has brothers and sisters and I see them a lot. I'm not really close to any of my cousins. I would say I don't know. I know of them. I'm connected. I'm connected. I know of them, but it's not like other people, like I don't know, like for instance, I have a friend out here in California that's like, Oh yeah, we grew up. We were like this. We were, you know, like, you know, those ties the, the plastic bags at grocery stores. Now when you tie 2 together, it gets really tight. I don't know, it's kind of like DNA or something like that, but don't feel that way really.

25:10 I know of them. Well, that's how brothers can be too, if they click. There's an estrangement that is true. I think, I think it really depends upon the people. It's not, I don't think that there's like a, a formula that you can apply to people that are by themselves or with two kids or with three kids or with four kids. You can say, oh, always the oldest is the bastard or the last one is a shit up hook or whatever. You know, I mean, because I went through stages of being the worst kid ever, you know that. Was amazing through and. Through I have never was wrong. I have been to jail more than all of my family members combined, you know, by a long shot.

25:50 I have, I've done things that, and they've done things that I've never done and I've done things that they've never done, you know, you know, So there's all those things and it and I've never, I've never been. I think The thing is, is that my oldest brother's five years older than me and then four, and then my sister's 2 1/2. I never felt competitive with them. There's only one person I'm competitive with, one me. I don't know. You're pretty competitive with me, I would say. So I feel that way, yeah. Really. How do you? How do you? Feel, I don't know. I don't know. I feel like there is some sort of competitive nature. 100% yeah, without a doubt. For, for, for like what?

26:35 I don't know. I think it's me being granted the opportunity to pursue things. In a way, I think that that's part of it. Oh, did I? Did? Did I push you to do that? No, not necessarily, but it's there is something there. I don't know how to explain it though. I'm competitive with my child. Well, see, am I competitive in thinking that? I don't. I want you to do things that I couldn't do that. I maybe that maybe that's what it is. I mean, I think I don't know if that's competitive or if that's more directive, but maybe if it is competitive, I. Don't interpret. It, I mean, cuz for me that, that I would, I would openly tell you that I want, I want you to take that, that you have a different you, you're in a different stature financially wise. So you have a different opportunity. I mean, you don't have to.

27:30 If you, if you feel like you would be happy working at McDonald's the rest of your life, you should go to work at McDonald's. It's kind of too late though. Because I've already kind of accomplished something huge. So yeah. But I don't know. Why did you do that? I think we'll one, having the financial wherewithal and direction, I think directions a big part of it, but I also was given the freedom to actually find out what I wanted to do. I wasn't necessarily pushed into an algorithmic occupation like lawyer or doctor or something like that. I was given more of a chance to figure it out per SE, which I think that I have because I think what I have on these drives is something really, really special. Well, that I mean, you shocked me when you said I'm going to go to LA and B actor.

28:18 I was just like, really? That's that's and then I, I have friends Pam and she's like, Oh my God, that's the worst thing in the world. Oh, it's terrible, Yeah. And then I meet people on the plane who's actors and they work with that. Oh God, no, that's, that's horrible. That's horrible. It's the most horrible thing in the world. And I hadn't really thought about it like what it what it entailed. And when I started to see what you had to do to go through to get parts and how you had to like what do you do? I apply for about 100 jobs every day and I'm like, holy shit. And then you get, well, I get like every other week I get a part or a job or a out blind and you're like, Oh my God, that's that's nuts.

29:06 Well, the thing that was. Upset and then and then when you went out, you and you kept going and I was just like. Wow. The thing that was starting to get upsetting was that I was doing these projects where I would spend 14 hour days for a week or something and then they wouldn't get developed. And then I was getting really pissed off. And then I was like, well, why don't I just make my own projects? And I was like, well, what's the most difficult thing I could possibly do? Go shoot a foreign film? And then I was like, OK, let's go do that. And then that's what we just did and foreign film. Oh, OK. I thought you said what what is the most difficult thing we could possibly do? First it and I've never been to Mongolia. So it's like shoot a foreign film there with the research that I did on the previous research trip. And now I've done the most difficult thing probably possible other than which is shoot a feature.

29:52 Foreign film I think is really the most difficult thing because you have to do the carne, you have to get all the gear and then get it all the way over there instead of just doing it in the US, right? But yeah. Why? I would think. I would think internationally would be a lot cheaper too. Well, one, Mongolia doesn't really have the rental capacity. You don't, yeah, you don't have infrastructure. If that was the problem, if you did it in Montreal, it would be like there's there's 1000 people. Oh, you need a 770 billion millimeter camera. Ella wishes. Wana wana Hana. I went through 5 Outfitters there that were rental houses in Mongolia. They did not have what we needed. And yeah.

30:34 And then it was funny because people were telling me they're like, you just didn't look at the right places. I'm like, I looked at five of your top production rental houses and you're telling me that that I just didn't look in the right place. I'm like, OK, all right. That's just. Because you didn't pick them. Yeah, exactly. Because you didn't pick them and, and, and you know what, it's like I tell everybody, you know, when you're working and you're working in a direction and you, and you, and you're working off your gut a fair amount. And which is what you're doing, you're growing and you're learning it on your own. People, I mean, monkeys are going to throw shit. You know what? And they're just going to continue to throw shit and they're going to say, you're doing it wrong. You should do it this way, you should do it this way. You should do that. And you're stupid and that's not a good idea.

31:17 And you're, and you're going to realize after a while that you know what, there's a lot of monkeys in the world. Oh, there's so many. A lot of them. One thing you will realize, yeah. Their their arms get tired, They get, they get tired as soon as you rise up over that success level, because then they start writing down resumes and submitting to you to come to work for you. Exactly. That's kind of and. Then you realize, Yeah. People are asking me for recommendations for job applications now, which is funny and but these are people that I like. These aren't people. I don't like whoever it is and no matter what it is, be be very direct and very honest. And because at your level, you're going to people are going to rely on things that you say.

32:08 And if they're true and correct later in life, when you're, you know, when you're significantly older, like 30, it's going to matter because people are going to say, well, Zach said he was good. And every person Zach sense to me is good. Everybody that I've hired thus far has been incredible. I haven't really had any issues. Overall, you've been really good at picking. I mean, yeah, I was. Shocked that nobody that I have not been getting screwed. Yeah, nobody. Bailed. Nobody said, oh, I can't make it. I mean, I could, I could. That would have been like, Can you imagine if one of your guys said at the top of the key like a week before said my, my uncle's grandmother has diarrhea. I can't make it. I was waiting for that, for I was waiting for people to back out last second, especially the sound mixer because I didn't know him.

32:55 He's a recommendation. I had met him twice before and on the trusting of a reference from somebody else who I didn't know that well either. And he turned out to be absolutely incredible. He turned out to be. The synergy between the four of us was out of this world. There's nothing I could not have done it better easily. I could not have done it better. Every single moment was golden. Every day we got something that I'd never seen on a camera before, and I. I I love that lightning in the background that was to me the most. Imagine how it looks on the monitor, because that's me filming the camera. Imagine how it looks. On the camera, Oh my gosh, it was just blowing my mind. I'm like. No, there's, there's stuff on these drives that nobody's ever seen.

33:39 And I the, the main thing that I wanted to do is look at Mongolia and on an escape of foreign or weird or different, but American, specifically American viewership is going to look at this for the first time and see themselves 10,000 miles away from their own home. And that's what I want doc to be. Well, that's what I want documentary to be. I don't want documentary to be, oh, I am talking head of National Geographic. Here's the, the history of this foreign land that's so far away. Now you're going to see people in a way that you see yourselves in them in the in the rectical of the camera, right. Or in the, the rectical screen. Yeah. You sure it's not the rectum? The recticle, is it recticle? Is that what it is? The viewfinder?

34:19 There we go. Recticle is a scope on a weapon. Same thing. OK, But yeah, like I thought that was the cross or like the dot. It's called a recticle. RECTICTAL. Something like a recticle. Really. Let's look it up. Wait, hold on. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it real quick. You got me curious. Now we're all looking up recticle well, so you're happy, right that. It Cal that's how do I spell it? Rectical is is likely a misspelling of a. Rectical RETICLE Rectical prefer refers to a pattern of fine lines or marks built into the eyepiece of an optical device.

35:07 There you go, let's see. Oh, such as a telescope or microscope used for measurement or aiming. It can also be described as a scale on transparent material used for visual inspections. The word originates from reticulum, meaning net reflecting the grid like appearance off the markings. Yeah, there's, there's one of those on a. So do you have many as well? Do you find yourself with friends that you've made that have many siblings or. None. I'm not friends with many only children. I I found that I think the majority of the world has siblings. I think I'll say that.

35:50 Yeah, probably it's 1.8 I think is a ravaged number. So yeah, definitely more. Here's a Here's another weird question. Mainly we have brothers do. You think do you think you only date women that have big families? Let. Me see, she has a sister. She has a sister, brother. Not really. I don't see a commonality. I mean, it's like when I say big family, anybody that has four or more is big. 3 is pretty big now one to two, 2 is average. If you only dated women that had were the only only people, then I would be like, oh, that's different. I've dated both big and small families.

36:31 Never. Really. Have you ever drated only? Once. Yeah. OK. Once. Once. Really. Once in my life, yeah. Oh wow. Yeah, once he's mean as you. No, no, they were great. I was the mean one. I'm an evil. I'm an evil man. Yeah. You are, that's true. I am an evil man, but yeah, I think I was lucky to have just mom have pay attention to me all the time. I think that was cool. Yeah, well, that was her goal. After you, that was her thing. It was like when she got, I mean, when she got pregnant, which shocked us both. And I've told, I think I've run the story down here before. Did I ever tell that story? You've heard it 1000 times.

37:12 When you, you pulled me out. No, no, no, not. That was a different thing. You didn't pull me out, though. The doctor pulled me out right. No, no, when he, he, he. The way he ripped open your mother's belly and pulled you out was just amazing. I don't understand how people don't doctor that all the time. And his speed. But I was, I was thinking more of when she was like, I'm feeling nauseous in the morning and she's 39. And you know, we've, we stopped trying to have kids at about 3435 because she was taking all these, she was taking these big. Evidently when you, when you get, if you have problems having kids, they put you on all of these medicines and it makes the woman that shit crazy. OK, just psycho.

38:05 OK, But you know, not the not that I'm saying she was, but it makes them psycho, you know, just just and you got to figure out how to be resilient as a husband because it's it's it's rough, you know, and it but it's rougher on them. And it's you know, and everybody's blaming themselves and it's like, you don't freaking know any. And and no doctor gives you a straight answer. They're not saying, hey, it's your fault, Phil, you're shooting blanks. And it's like, OK, no, it's it's your fault. You can't ovulate. No, everything was working. Should have been happening weird. Anyway, she goes to the medicine, she goes psycho. She finally goes off the medicine. We finally give up.

38:49 She's 39 years old. She says, oh, I feel a little I, I, I got like morning, I'm sick in the morning. I don't know what it is. And I'm like, wow, do you think you have, you could be pregnant, You know, she goes and she goes and she looked at me weird and then she went and she bought a pregnancy test and she takes the pregnancy test and then she comes back and she goes like it's positive. And I'm like, really, wow, you should go get a couple more. And it's definitely wrong. And so she gets two more different brands than the first brand brings them. Then you pee on them and then, you know, like everybody knows or doesn't know and then they come back positive.

39:34 So we got 3 positive tests and she's like, well, I should probably set an appointment to see if I'm Brandon because we didn't believe it. Yeah, until we went to the doctor. And they're like, what do you mean? You. You. Took. You took you took three tests and you're coming to me for confirmation you're pregnant. OK, that's funny, you know, so it was very and it was like, Oh my God, Oh my God, you know, but there were other there, there there were no way I'll. Ask you a question if you could have, if you could have done more, if you, if it worked earlier, would you have, would you have had more children? But I've had two kids if it, if I or. Four or five or six or whatever.

40:27 No, I don't. I would have probably, I think 2 would have been fine. I think 2 would have been, I think I would have gone with two because I would always want partners, not always want partners in common friends or I, I, you know, it really would that after two would have been your mother. It would have been all, you know, because it's really all on her. Six, because I was 6. I was working. I could. I mean, I wouldn't care if she said I want to if if she was banging them out every other year, 6 would be fine with me. I don't care. A big family would be great. I don't. No SO. 6 Max. Six would have been the tops and I think for me actually 4 would have been would have been fine.

41:08 That's correct. 4 would have been fine because then it would have been four different personalities, 4 different. There's a guy I know, one of a lot. Of mixes in there and a lot of things. He's one of nine, yeah. One of nine, yeah. Oh yeah, I know, but. Well, that's when you get into that kind of area. You get the older ones raised in the younger ones. And that's to certain degree, yes, yeah, yeah. And that can become sometimes. True. Well, it also depends upon what kind of money you have, you know. You gotta, you gotta have money to do that, yeah. But but even if you make a, you make a good living. If you have 9 kids, you don't make a good living. No, you have a get by living because, you know, a four bedroom house with nine people in it.

41:50 I mean, you do the freaking math. You're sting with the mustache. It's funny, isn't it? Yeah. And it it's very, very different. You like it, I'm going to call you. It took me 20 minutes to shave the other day or yesterday because I went to my girlfriend's house 1st and I had to use woman shaving products. Do you know that women have shaving cream that doesn't foam? It makes no sense. I feel like whatever. Do they have gel? No, it's cream. It's like lotion shaving cream. I don't understand why. You need a product that foams every product that every soap based product should foam in my opinion. Does she use yours actually shaving cream?

42:32 No no, ask her. I should Nivea gel. Nivea shaving cream gel because it's really when you get down to shaving. Because that's what I'm using. Men, it's not, it's not really cream, it's gel. That's kind of what it is. Totally the time. Yeah. And the Nivea one works really well. I like that. But I really like the Gillette. Gillette Fusion always has one, a good razor blade. And then two. Also women have blades that dull so fast, like they dulls incredibly quickly. Well, but also women are like when when you shave your face, look at the square inch on your face. Yeah. OK, now stop and think that she's shaving all of both legs under arms. Yeah, where the hell else?

43:16 But then why would the blade get dull faster? That makes no sense. Because they're they're shaving more. No, but I used her blade and by the time I was on my face it was it was pretty dull. Which is crazy, it was just that she has a bad the cheaper it's a cheaper blade. Well. That's what we've done to women on a commercial level. And yeah, we always ever is. We sell them more shit. Exactly. And for double the price, for double or double the price for health. Quality, right? Exactly. Oh no, it's crazy. And then we and then we and then we target them to say, see how long mine lasts? Yeah, exactly. No, it's and that's what this podcast is all about. Better all. About being assholes, don't, don't you think? Yeah, that's very true. So. You're jet lagging, huh? Yeah, no, well, it's 15 hours.

43:58 Yeah. Difference and I went forward well. I left on the 25th at 8:00. AM well, I was in Philadelphia and you know how much difference that. Is that's like 7 hours I went. And alcohol time, it was probably about 9 hours. So I went. I left Mongolia 8:00 AM on the 25th. I got to LA On at 10 AM on the 25th. So it was a three hour flight. You know, now I'm kidding, but weird, right? Like that, It feels strange. That feels very, very weird. I woke up this morning and I said, why am I in an apartment in Mongolia? It was confusing. It was very, very weird. That happened for the first week. I was back the last time I said my Korea, Japan or Mongolia, I didn't know.

44:41 And then I, I walked around the room. I was touching the mirror and I was like, oh, and then I I remembered. Well, the worst is when you pee. You have to pee at night. I get lost sometimes I get lost because I get. Lost and I go and I'm trying to open the door and I got to pee and I'm going like Oh my God and I can't find the door and that's why I need I need lights otherwise I'm just going to pee on the floor. Exactly. Yeah, I love peeing on the floor. Me and Yoshi, you got to be a dog. You got to be a dog to pee on the floor. But yeah, I think is that is that our podcast for this week? There we go. I think that we, we've covered siblings. What When you think about siblings in general, you want to think that we're, I'm lucky. I love my siblings.

45:21 My wife's lucky. She loves her siblings. I, her, I, I love her family too. They appear to like me a lot, you know, So I, I think it, we're all in a pretty good place. No one hates anybody else. We, we all like to bitch about the other party, but we're close enough that we don't, it's nothing permanent. But if I go out and I stretch it out to like my cousins and stuff, I, I don't, I don't, I don't interact with them at all. So that's why I look at you and I go when you go with your cousins, you don't interact with them at all. Well, I live 5000 miles away. I mean, that's kind of part of it. Yeah, that, that probably does. It but no, they've come out and visited. So you've seen them there or?

46:03 When you come back, you visit you. Visit a lot of people you. Visit and then you're doing, you're doing Whitney with what's his face, right? I don't know about that. We'll see. Yeah, start working. Are your legs still broken? Now you're going to die of a heart attack, so that's not going. To Yeah, well, I'm kind of, I mean, the health thing has been this is the year of Phil and my, I now have my little A-fib or whatever. We don't know what it is. I think I have that now too. I'm pretty convinced. You caught it for me. Yeah, you sneezed on me one time. Yeah, my heart beats at 228 beats per second. I got to get a Fitbit or something, Yeah, because I didn't have the armpit pain today. It was yesterday. Where? It was like breathing. Breathing was hurting my chest.

46:44 Yeah, I, I, I get that labored breathing is AII mean. I have the heart thickening wall, the one of the valves. But, but, but I've had that for a long time and, and you know, it's like, get over it. And you can't look at all that stuff and go woo, you know? And you just got to adjust your behavior and not go to Philadelphia and drink 3 gallons of tequila. Well, I'm going to get health insurance today, that's why. But no, no, no brown liquor. No, no, I did. I think we did do for some round liquor, maybe, maybe, maybe 8 or 10 shots. And so not that many. And then let me see, just tequila. Yeah, yeah. And I think we, yeah, state. Oh God, it was.

47:28 It was a great time. Did you eat a cheese? Steak. I had cheese steaks on Friday and on Saturday. Pat's and Gino's apparently is the worst. It's not the best we. Didn't even go there together. People said it was D&H and then we went to another one. Dino's is what I've heard. Then we went to another one. Is that Kelly Hondros? Dallisandro's is a good one. That's what I've heard, yeah. There's one on the waterfront that's. One with the sesame bread that I heard is really good. That's what we had it. That's D&H. We had that, yeah. It like the market and we went to this place called the market was really, really good. Would you ever move there? You ever moved to Philly? No, I mean, it was, it is, it is a remember Kentucky, Louisville, Louisville, downtown. Yeah, in a lot of respects, it was it, it now it was, it was a lot busier, a lot more things going on. You would have.

48:28 Said this the same. I wouldn't have believed you. No, it was a lot more. It was more like Cincinnati. I like Cincinnati was nice. I mean, comparatively, yeah, there. Were a lot there were a whole lot, but there were also a lot of empty places and Philly has a lot of that too. No, it's surprising to see how many buildings interesting. Yeah and you're like whoa. And you see this everywhere now, and it's like you see empty buildings downtown all over the place. And not just like one, but like a shitty. Block inflation's crazy? Well, no, because people don't destroying America. You do not need to do computer work for in an office and having Bilbo Baggins looking over your shoulder. You don't well, these are businesses that ones exist that no longer exist because of inflation, because of rental prices.

49:10 Brick and mortar stores are disappearing and the mom and pop shops are disappearing because you have these crazy rental prices. I. But you have you have office buildings, you have office buildings in New York that are that are 60 or 80 stories. I was in a company relics that had I think 8 floors and now they're down to two floors and it isn't. And and we had intelligize in New York. I think there were 30. There might have been 3030 people and now and they had I had an office in New York and I had an office in DC. Wow, I'm really well, you know what's? Kind of interesting that you're talking about this is that the American invention of suburbia might actually come back alive, might actually return and actually be a successful experiment.

49:58 As we become, as it becomes easier to communicate and touch online, you're going to find, you're going to find that there's no reason to go into work unless it's like there isn't. I don't think you can do, you can't manually walk around a a warehouse and be secure, but you can certainly you can do it remotely if you had cameras everywhere and you had somebody monitoring it. But then at some point you don't even need somebody monitoring. You monitor. You can have an automated program that will monitor with a ring thing that says if you see something that's heat censored that is reported to the police or something. You know, there's all sorts of things that you can do to circumvent that.

50:38 But I'm thinking more of the idea of like their jobs that you, I'm trying to think of a job that you can't dig a ditch with a completely automated robot yet. But then The thing is, is why would you, why would you build $1,000,000 robot to fill a $15.00 an hour job? I think good question. I think, I think the thing that that really shocks me is that if I was going to build robots, I would be building robots to fill CEO jobs, you know?

51:19 Yeah, I mean, if you're going. To build a $5,000,000 robot to fill a $25 million spot, that's really cool, but. You're talking about the guy would invent a robot to replace himself and that's never going to happen. I don't think that well, if he. If he controls the market, he would control the market of all the robots. So I mean, you got to imagine these people are egocentric, so they're going to that that. That is a really cool challenge. That's something I could see Musk trying to do is like, well, you know, if I invented this and I could eliminate all my competition because they're all they're all just predatory people that just want to be in charge of everything. And they want unlimited capabilities to do anything they want with their product and sell it in any win way.

52:03 And then they want no one to have any repercussions or answers back if the product blows up in their face and kills their children and sets their house on fire. I mean, that's a pretty much what it is. And they want to be, they want to be a monopoly, and they want no consequences for any. You know, if they put poison in the in the Cheerios, well, fuck off. You know you should have known. Better that Chipotle guy that had listeria 3 times while he was CEO and I'm like you are a loser you're a loser and he cut portion size back. Well all we can hope is that he's dead now. Well, that's what he's not. He's at Starbucks, so he. Raised prices 4 times and he cut portion sizes and that's how he made money. And he did this during the pandemic because there was a demand and he and he also did it. And that's when they were saying look at all the inflation and it wasn't inflation.

52:51 It was they were just gouging the marketplace because they could. They gouged the marketplace and now you got Trump over here throwing tariffs up, which you can argue that it's horrible that, but the companies are eating the tariffs so they're paying back for screwing it. But it's kind of misdirected from administration, you know? But oh, I'll see you, are you? When are you going to Lisbon? Oh no, Portugal. Tuesday. Tuesday night. When do you wait? Hold on, I'm going to count. On 2nd, so we're going to do that's a week from. Today we're a month apart. That's not going to work. Yeah, Rosh Hashanah on the 23rd.

53:32 So and let's we got, we got, we should end this. We should end this episode. All right, goodbye, guys. We, we, we love it. Thisyear.com check us out on YouTube and the other stuff cool yes well I we're a. Little We're a little disjointed because we haven't been together in 30 days. I don't think we're disjointed. I think you're just talking over me. All right. Bye everybody. Bye.