Episode 112: Disappointment

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Welcome back to another episode
of Record My Father's Day.

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We're going to be talking about
disappointment.

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When was the last time I was
disappointed?

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I think I got a parking ticket
when I oh, it's 2:00 AM and I

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went to this part of stopping
back.

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I forgot where I was about two
years ago, and I parked in front

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of a hydrant at 2:00 AM for
about 30 minutes.

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And then I went home, and in
that 30 minutes, I got a $200

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ticket for parking in front of a
fire hydrant at 2:00 AM, which

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is crazy.
Think about that.

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All right?
That was the last time I was

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disappointed.
Is that disappointed?

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I don't know.
Yeah, I guess that's is that is

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upset the same thing as?
Well, I mean, you think about

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what is disappointment.
You know, we should, if we

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should do a little, come on, we
do a little more research, We'll

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do a little.
Definition.

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Yeah.
I think when I get back from

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Mongolia, we're going to be
doing a little more research on

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these maybe.
Sad or displeased because

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someone or something has failed
to fulfill one's hopes or

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expectations.
So I would say that's upset.

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It's not the same that's saying
one or something and it's like I

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am, I am that way.
And I'm the, I was kind of the

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reason that we talked about that
we picked disappointment is

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because recently, four weeks
ago, one of the things that I,

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I'd written a strategic plan and
one of the things that I want to

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do in retirement or is not be in
retirement.

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And that was to look forward to.
Like what was the next thing I

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was going to do?
My whole life I've been very

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much interested in search and
text search and all this kind of

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stuff like that.
I've watched in one specific

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field in legal tech and I wanted
to artificial intelligence is

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now everywhere and you hear
about it all over the place, and

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I wanted to know more about it.
I know about perplexity.

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I know about AII mean, I know
about chat GB TI don't know

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about the Microsoft, the Google.
I know about all a lot of the

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different little robots and the
little things they do.

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I know about the ghosting.
I know about large language

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models.
I know a surface mount.

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I wanted to actually go to the
people and authority and I

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thought the authority would be
Stanford.

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So I applied to Stanford
Executive Business Program,

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which is really just, it's a
hokey little program.

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It's a week, it's a week to 10
days long, but it's not really

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hokey because to me it's in the
center of the universe of is

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where this is starting.
This is where it's all

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happening.
All of those companies or housed

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or local in that area.
And so, and they're all

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surrounded around Stanford
because Stanford's the leading

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school to where they get people
to apply for them.

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So I thought, wow, if I went
there to learn and that they

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talked about they have guest
speakers and all this kind of

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stuff like that, that that would
be like, if you're going to go

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learn something, learn from the
best if, if, if you can't, it's,

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it's incredibly expensive.
It's stupid.

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I went through the process, I
filled it out.

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I didn't really put a lot into
the application.

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I didn't go into like deep
history of why it's so important

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to me and things like that.
Can you talk about what the

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application was like because I'm
just curious because you were

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talking it was.
Just an on thing.

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I mean, there was, there was,
there was an on thing.

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I mean, I had spoke to a number
of people about applying for,

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you know, for these programs and
you're paying, you know, ten,

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$20,000 to go to these programs,
right?

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And they're executive programs.
So you go in and you get

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immersed in some new thing.
Usually your your company does

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it for you and they just throw
you in.

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This was individual and I was
individually applying and it

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asked me to write my history and
some of the reasons I was

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unaware that there were criteria
that you had to jump through

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before you could you there were
qualities that they would what

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do you call it minimal things
that they expected you to have

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before you went in, which I
don't have I I'm not I'm not a

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senior executive at a company
right now I'm in I'm retired for

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the third time so I'm gonna hold
it 123 yeah, third time and one

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yeah.
Third time and I'm thinking I

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wanted was going to go and work
again and be retired a fourth

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time, but it but and that
usually when my retirement is

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when I find the the next thing
that I want to do and I haven't

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found it and it seemed like a
great direction to go in, but I

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didn't I didn't go into they had
a a section for a what do you

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call it submitting your your
what do you you got to write a

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thing about who you are and
what.

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You're cover letter or
something?

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It's more than a cover letter
because it's and I and I, I

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haphazardly jumped through it
and I linked my and I LinkedIn,

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my LinkedIn profile and I was
like, OK, this tells me who I

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was and what I did right,
Because I figured they'd say, Oh

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well, he started three
companies.

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Two of them have been successful
exits.

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He's he's, he's seen search,
he's done.

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You gave them the benefit of the
doubt.

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I did.
I really got to do.

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That yeah, they they don't do
that.

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It was the essay and I think
that's, you know, it's really

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funny when you think about
disappointments.

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I rollback the clock to the
first college I ever applied to

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was Mary Washington College when
I got out of high school and I

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had like a lot and a 1.2 GPA or
something like that.

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I was AD plus, you know, and I
applied and and they said where

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the essay was.
And this is back when you hand

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wrote them and you had to mail
them a letter to request it.

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You could call them and they'll
say if you want an application,

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you got to either come and get
it, which is in Fredericksburg

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and I lived in Woodbridge, or
you can write and submit.

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Well, I wrote and submit and
they sent it back to me.

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But but before I jump into that
story, let me finish the one for

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Stanford.
I got a rejection day before

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yesterday and it just humbled
me, you know, because hey, I

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know everything and I'm the
smartest guy in the world.

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So it really shocked me that
they wouldn't take me as an

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entrepreneur.
So my next step is to I'm going

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to go back to them because that
class happens multiple more

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times.
I'm going to write a letter.

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I'm going to be a lot more, I'm
going to pay a lot more

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attention to what I say and how
I say it.

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And I'm going to do a lot.
I'm going to go into full on

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sale mode, which is a, which is
not Phil Phil is Phil is fun

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Phil, but fun Phil when fun Phil
needs to sell speed.

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I, I'm a little bit different.
So I'm going to do that.

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And, and it's, and it's, it's
funny, but that, that was a

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disappointment 'cause I didn't
take it seriously.

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And then I look back to my
college application at Mary

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Washington and it was like,
essay was optional.

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I was like, well, fuck it, I
don't need it.

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And I didn't do it.
And I failed there too.

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And I didn't get accepted.
Yeah, you need to do those

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essays.
Those are not well, I don't know

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why they ever say that they are
optional in the 1st place.

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I guess it's to weed out people,
you know?

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Well, I would have had to
handwrite it 'cause I could not

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type.
I could not type for the life is

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that.
Bad.

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I guess it would be.
Bad.

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Every third word my my whole
application was handwritten.

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OK, was it?
Bad to handwrite it, Do you

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think so or do you think?
It 79.

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I don't know, I think if you
typed it, you would have got you

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would have been like a Golden
Boy.

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Oh wow.
They know how much money you'll

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have 'cause you have money for
typewriting, right?

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Yeah.
Yeah, You had a.

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Typewriter.
I mean, we had a typewriter, but

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I never put it together to
actually type in answers on a

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separate piece of paper and
submit it that way and say see

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see item one, item 2, item 3.
These are the answers that would

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have been, that would have been
a really smart thing to do and

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if I had a counselor that was
worth a shit in school that ever

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even talked to me once in my 4
years at high school that said

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hey, this is how you do it.
I would have probably known

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that.
But I didn't know that because

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it wasn't like there was an
Internet and you could search

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for an answer to something.
You had to figure it out on your

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own.
Well, if you had a counselor,

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you might have ended up at
University of Vermont.

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You know, because in my school
she was getting kickbacks for

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sending kids to University of
Vermont.

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I think 75 to 85% of my class
went to University of Vermont

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and I I'm pretty damn sure she
was getting a kickback.

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Why else are?
You disappointed that you didn't

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get into University of Vermont?
I didn't even apply because I

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was like, I it's going to be
cold, man.

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It's going to be cold.
Even though I went to Denver.

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So I mean, if you think about.
It Denver is the.

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Vermont of the the West.
I mean, that's kind of the same

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thing.
That was a good school.

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I mean, it's 75% acceptance
rate, so it's not that great,

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but Condoleezza Rice went there.
I mean, that's cool.

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Did she actually attend or did
she just go there?

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That's a good question is.
'Cause see, that's what I tell

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everybody about Harvard.
I'm like, yeah, I went to

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Harvard.
Well, Spike.

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Jones hammered in the yard.
But I, I.

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Spike Jones went to my high
school, but I.

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Didn't attend it.
You know, Spike Jones went to my

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high school, but he went there
for one year.

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Mean Spike Lee.
No, Spike Jones.

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Who's that film maker, Really.
Yeah, yeah.

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Spike Glee's a film maker.
Do you know the movie Her with

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Joaquin Phoenix where he's
talking to the robot and the

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robot?
Scarlett Johansson came out in

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2012 and won an Oscar.
That was Spike Jones.

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Really.
Yeah, he, he made that.

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And he attended your school?
Yeah, yeah.

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Wow, smarty pants.
So he's a High School graduate?

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Smart.
Smarty, smarty pants.

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But the last time that I was
disappointed as well.

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I mean, that was kind of a
serious one, but I can't really

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think of recently being too
disappointed.

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I don't know.
It's because at this point in my

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life, I look at my issues and my
mistakes and I'm like, well, all

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right, and that happened.
That kind of sucks.

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But it's not really coming from
a genuine place of

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disappointment.
It's more of an acceptance.

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I don't know.
I don't know.

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That's kind of what it is.
You well, well, you know, with

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the if, if, if you have a couple
of different outcomes and you

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expect 1 outcome and you get
another that's disappointment.

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It is to me.
I mean, I, I look at the third

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company I was involved with was
conflicts authority and I Moi

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through what you would, what
many people would be considered

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reasonably good due diligence,
researched the marketplace and

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believed that the, the space
that we were going into was 350

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million.
And I found out after a 14

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months in it that it was really
only about 35 million.

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And there were all sorts of
reasons that led me to believe

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it was much larger than it was
until we had a term sheet from a

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venture capitalist that said
pivot.

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And then I didn't and I wouldn't
pivot because I know things

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about customers and product and
things like that.

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And I know about business and I
know that if you are selling

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something, you want to be better
than everybody.

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You don't want to compete on a
price thing.

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I'm I'm not that kind of a
person.

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And, and I would have had to
pivot to a business that was

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going to compete on price and it
was going to compete in an

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industry where the where the
leader was well loved.

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I like to compete in an industry
where everybody hates the

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leader, They're not innovative
and they charge too much.

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And it's a pretty.
Good way to start a business and

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market.
Exactly.

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It's not.
It's not rocket science dude.

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It's just like go to where
people shit on the floor and

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give them a bucket.
I think that's also why I kind

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of made a production company,
because you look at the the

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studios right now and they make
$325 million flops.

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And it's like if you look back
at that 82 when Zoetrope was

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going on and George Lucas was
under, what's his face, Francis

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Ford Copoy, he's the assistant.
And then Zoetrope was getting

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kickbacks from Paramount to make
movies because Paramount forgot

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how to make movies.
And so that's kind of what

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happened.
And I think that that's what's

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going to be happening in the
future, yeah.

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You think it's going to splinter
and people are going to,

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everybody's going to be a
production company and they're

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going to, and it's going to come
down to the quality of your

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work.
I mean, that's what we that's

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what we were.
We were like, I was, I did not

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want to compete on price and
anything.

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I've never wanted to compete on
price.

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I want to compete on, hey, ours
is much better.

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And then people would try to get
it to pricing.

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We don't use everything that you
have.

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Well then you shouldn't fucking
buy it.

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Yeah, no, exactly.
That's kind.

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Of the point we want the cheaper
version, the cheaper version is

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nothing.
It's somebody else's product.

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Go there.
But you don't have to say it

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that way.
I mean, but that was always the

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way I felt.
And you know, it's like, I don't

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I don't want to do that because
then the people that have paid

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me to build this great thing and
they're willing to pay a premium

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to get this great thing.
They're subsidizing you because

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you're too cheap to pay.
And it's like, no, I don't do

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that.
And it's like, and it and it's

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and it's, and it's been a very,
very good strategy through life.

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But the reason I was talking
about this is because when I

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found out that that it was that
market, I ended, I ended the

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business.
It was me, we, we, it was my

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fault.
It crashed.

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I was very disappointed.
I remember going to that office

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too.
I remember going up there and

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that was over on Elm Street.
Yeah.

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And I think I was scared of
Freddy Krueger at this time in

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my life.
Yeah, but that's what I was

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worried about was Freddy Krueger
over there.

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But no, that was.
I remember going to the.

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I actually remember the office
quite well, even though I only

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went there like twice, I think.
Yeah.

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Which is weird, isn't it?
It was a foolish idea to get an

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office.
We didn't need one.

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Yeah, I think it.
Was a waste.

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It was a waste of $40,000.
I mean I, I and and I mean I can

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look back and see what.
Was the rental prices?

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That's my?
What was the rental prices back

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in?
Was this 20/10/2012?

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No, no.
This would have been O seven O 8

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this.
They were there.

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It was like, I think it was for
the office space, probably 12115

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hundred a month.
Oh, that's not bad.

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Yeah, but we we had it for 18
months.

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So what is that?
And then, but then you got

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phones, you got hookups, you got
Office, WI.

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Fi.
You got chair.

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I mean, we had some dust and
chairs there, but we had to buy

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more stuff.
And so it makes it a, an

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impressionable place that you
have to spend time on that and

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not on a product.
And it allows you to dodge true

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responsibility.
And you know, when we, when you,

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when you, when you, when you
start a business, you shouldn't

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be thinking about what the
freaking logo looks like.

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You should be thinking about
what you're going to make that

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somebody needs or wants and is
willing to pay something.

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For a vision, yeah.
You know, and that.

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And that though, because Steve
Jobs, you think about him and

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all he ever did was he focused
on the way things looked, he

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focused on ergonomics.
It was his idea to put all music

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into a little square thing,
right?

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Yeah, yeah.
That is Fairpoint.

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But what is that?
That's ergonomics.

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Nobody else had that A mobile, a
mobile video, audio app when

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everybody listens to records or
now.

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Well, the that's not true.
No, that's never going to

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happen.
We're not going to.

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Competing product called the
Zune.

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The Google Zune, which failed
tremendously because of the way

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it looked.
Well, there was a way it

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advertised Walkman it.
Wasn't the only the Walkman was

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actually ACD?
Well, it's because of the

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ergonomics of the way that the
iPod looked is why it did so

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well.
This was the same thing when he

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got kicked out of Apple for the
first time and developed Cube,

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which was just a perfect cube,
right?

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A perfectly measured cube, he.
Did the computer name was next?

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Oh, is that what it was?
It was called Next and it was

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it.
The next computer cost 2 1/2

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times what the nearest computer
had and it had no more computing

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power.
So it it looked it was cool, but

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it was it wasn't Next.
It was then.

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But then he sold it for $230
million to Apple.

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He, he, he.
Well.

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And then he negotiated it on
the.

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Board I know, but he negotiated
it when Apple was failing and

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they needed somebody to pull in
that was supposed to be a

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visionary can do things.
This guy seems like he can.

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So part he didn't get
compensated much.

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I think he got a bunch of stock
and he got a whole bunch of

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stock for that company, but it's
the stock was it like I think he

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had he got tons of options for
that.

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It was a very, it was a very
weird transaction.

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Because he got.
Next was worth nothing.

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Next was worth nothing other
than he would argue that they

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took the technology and stuff
and they and they put that into

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the Mac, the little Macky bot or
whatever the hell it was.

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But the argument afterward from
real technology people said

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that's just a load of shit.
Well, they didn't know that the

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microprocessor was so poor.
It was a.

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Failure it was.
It was an abject failure.

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The technology was a failure.
The interface was a failure.

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Well, that was on purpose,
though.

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That was totally on purpose
because he was trying to get

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back into the company.
And so he said if it appears

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that I actually have something
that's golden and it's not, then

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they're still going to let me
back in.

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And that's what it was.
It was a pump fake.

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That's what he did.
You think he spent $1.2 billion

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on a pump?
Fake.

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I don't spent it purely I think.
Was it 1.2?

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I think he figured out the.
Excuse he.

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Figured out the excuse
afterward.

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I don't know because.
I didn't.

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I didn't wreck my car.
I you know, I have had insurance

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on my car for 20 years and I've
never had Ding.

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So I've paid them thousands and
thousands of dollars.

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So I decided that I was going to
get back some money.

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Well, that's the thing though is
in the movies is he spent so

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much time perfectly engineering
how it was a cube, right?

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And how it was this perfectly
symmetrical cube and that it he

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didn't spend any time on the the
microprocessing units or

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anything like that because he
didn't want to, because he knew

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that if he had something
aesthetically pleasing that it

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would sell was.
The cube successful.

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No, because he was trying to get
back into Apple.

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That's.
What?

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No, but the cube.
The cube was his last product

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that he did at Apple.
I think you're a little off

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there.
I think the cube was the the

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cube was the reason he got
fired.

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Next was the actual system was
called the Next.

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Yeah, yeah, the actual system
was that, but it was a.

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Perfect.
It was not a cube.

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Cube thing.
It was a perfect cube.

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Then what was the perfect cube?
The.

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Cube was the cube was the reason
he got fired.

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No, I don't remember that.
I just watched that movie too.

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I watched what was it, Michael
Fassbender as Jobs, Steve Jobs.

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And it was Tell me what the Cube
was.

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I want to know what?
The cube was cube.

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I am known to confuse things
though fit.

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Into Jobs go generating
discussing the cube in relation

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to Steve Jobs.
It's important to recognize that

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there were two distinct cube
shaped computers that played a

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role.
There we go.

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You're right, the next computer
the best.

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This is the.
First product of Next, the

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company Steve Jobs founded in
1985 after leaving Apple, The

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Next Computer aimed at a higher
education and business market,

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boosting innovative features
like powerful processor,

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advanced operating system, Next
step Building up on a net and

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high quality sound, The Next
Computer face challenges due to

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its high price and limited
software availability.

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Resulting in low sales despite
its commercial limitation, the

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next Computer's next step
operating system proved to be

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incredibly influential, becoming
the foundation The foundation

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for the development of the World
Wide Web, no.

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That sounds a little crazy.
I I wouldn't go that far.

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No, that's what this is what
they're saying.

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See, cuz he really rewrote all
all all all the the history of

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itself because it was a failure.
They had nobody else to go to

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that would come in and pick up
Apple because Apple was now

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trading at like 4 bucks a share.
It was just shit.

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And they're like what are we
going to do?

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Apple was on the brink of
bankruptcy when they bought him

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in.
They did not spend a bunch of

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money.
It was on the brink of

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bankruptcy.
It was crashing because there

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was there was fucking nothing
new.

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And he's over here building
next, which is just a shit

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product.
And, and then they said, well,

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they use some of the technology
and it's like, I don't believe

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that I, I, I mean, I know enough
about engineering that no one

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used you might.
Well, I think they looked at the

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ergonomics and they said, well,
at least we can sell something

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that looks good.
I think that that's what it was.

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I think that they sell, they
said that we could sell

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something that looks good and
that might get us out of this

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hole.
He just wanted to be King Kumade

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of his his business again
because he got kicked out of his

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own company, which was because
he was being not a nice guy.

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The G4 Cube struggled
commercially due to its high

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price.
This.

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He took that cube design and he
put it into the Mac.

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He made it the Mac G4 Cube.
Compact, powerful computer house

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and a clear acrylic embodying
Jobs vision for miniaturized yet

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high performance machine.
However, the G4 Cubes struggled

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commercially due to its high
price.

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I remember it being a piece of
shit.

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In essence, the Cube represented
both a commercial misstep and a

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significant technology legacy in
his career.

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The next Jet Cube showcase jazz
pursuit of technology

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excellence.
The power of G Force reflected

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job's focus on the elegant
design.

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So.
But both were failures.

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Abject failures.
Huge, you know, multibillion

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dollar failures in the 80s.
But then he still got to be king

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of his company once again
though.

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I think that was really the
point of it though.

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The phone, but the phone.
Came out like 10 years.

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Later, the music.
The music was the number one

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thing he did.
I touch and I, I squirt or

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whatever the hell it is.
What was the little the iPod,

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iPod.
The iPod was what it was.

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And it's like, and it's so funny
that I don't know where the idea

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came from because he's always
the one.

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But when you listen to Bill Burr
talk about it, you know what he

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says?
He said, I don't think that he

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actually did it.
I think that a bunch of

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engineers did it.
I think.

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I think I think that he had a
great idea and said, hey, I want

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00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,680
you to take all my music in the
world and I want you to put it

453
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,560
in a little square thing that I
can hold my hand.

454
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,480
And then they went and did it.
And he said, and he said, and

455
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,280
everybody's like, yeah, well,
it's always engineers.

456
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,680
And I said, well, most people,
when you show like the product,

457
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,160
they would thank all the
engineers and it would be a big

458
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,320
crowd, right?
Jobs has never done that.

459
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,240
Jobs is always the one because
he's the designer and he's the

460
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,400
one that said this is cool, this
is cool, this is cool.

461
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:24,520
So he's the end speaker and
ultimately responsible for it.

462
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,920
But he certainly took all the
fucking credit, didn't he?

463
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,520
Oh yeah, all the credit.
He took every last bit of it.

464
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,560
He just, I mean, you gotta
admit, the lead engineer was

465
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,720
probably the one that said it
needs headphones.

466
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,640
The lead engineer is probably
the one that said we need to

467
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,920
structure the songs in this way
so you can read them down and

468
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,400
you could click from one to the
other.

469
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,000
You have to press the button
like this to make it move.

470
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,720
He might have had some say in
the interface, but other.

471
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,760
Than that or input input.
I mean, how do you?

472
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,800
How do you?
But he's a salesman before

473
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,360
anything.
He was always a salesman and he

474
00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:00,440
was never really an engineer.
And that was.

475
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,520
So he has a surface knowledge
product.

476
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,680
Yeah.
And his surface knowledge that

477
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,960
though it's like what it when
you look at it, it's like, I

478
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,520
know what's good when I see it,
but I and I know what's bad when

479
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,880
I see it.
So when I see bad shit, I can

480
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,320
tell you right away.
And he was and he was outspoken

481
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,400
enough and smart enough to say
this isn't what I want.

482
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,840
It's got to be better.
It's got to be better.

483
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,920
It's got to be better.
And pushing that is a huge not,

484
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,080
not not to take away from his
all the great things that he

485
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,920
did, but he he those things that
people try to rewrite in

486
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,560
history.
They were failures in the I was

487
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,360
there.
I remember them saying.

488
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:39,800
I don't think you were there.
I think you're.

489
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,680
They wrote, they wrote articles
in the Wall Street Journal about

490
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,960
what a piece of shit he was and
how crashed it was and how it'll

491
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,840
never come back.
And Apple was $8 a share and you

492
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,840
know, everybody, Scully was
driving it into the ground.

493
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,040
It was total crap show.
I think it was Scully at the

494
00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,680
time, but it but it was like and
so so now when I see it and

495
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,080
they're oh, it was a great
thing.

496
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,480
No, it was not next was like it
it continued to be.

497
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,200
It continued to be big
announcement, whole lot of wolf.

498
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,960
No fucking substance.
Do you think every was?

499
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,840
Disappointed in the failure at
Next probably, right?

500
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,160
I would, I would.
Think really because he became

501
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,400
CEO of Apple again after.
That no, he was, he was.

502
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,760
Well, The thing is, is if it was
a narcissist, he would say it

503
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,080
wasn't a failure.
But but I would say from the

504
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,000
outside it was an abject
failure.

505
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,840
He would have never claimed it
to be a failure.

506
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,080
And people would try to rewrite
it and say it's it wasn't, but

507
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,520
it was.
I mean, Next was not a public

508
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,520
company.
It was, it was if it was bought

509
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,160
for that amount of money that it
was negotiated for that.

510
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,280
And I, and I remember being a
really strange transaction

511
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,480
because Apple, the only way
Apple could get him back as ACEO

512
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,080
is if they agreed to buy Next
and Next had a value of it had

513
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,200
like a 1.6 billion put into it
and they sold it for a couple

514
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,920
100 million.
So the rule was that was fire

515
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,240
sale.
OK, That was a fire sale.

516
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,440
When you're buying something for
$0.10 on the dollar, it's not a

517
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,120
success, OK.
And if you're buying it on the,

518
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,760
and if you're paying a whole lot
of money for something that's

519
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,680
that, that's more than its value
because it was probably only

520
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,920
worth 5 million.
They're getting that other guy

521
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,160
for a whole lot less.
They're not paying him a big

522
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,640
enough salary.
They're not doing they're, you

523
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,800
know, they're not doing the,
they're not giving him 100

524
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,880
million options.
See, he was, I think he was

525
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,200
making like $100,000 when he
came back.

526
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,720
He didn't, he didn't make hardly
anything.

527
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,320
He probably got a ton of options
at the time.

528
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,840
You can look it up online.
I think you're right, it was the

529
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,480
options because that's how he
became.

530
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,240
Same thing as same thing as
much.

531
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,360
It's not about the cash, it's
about the options.

532
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,840
But but the next thing was like,
you know, that was swinging a

533
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,920
miss and it was a hard miss.
And when I hear people talk

534
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,800
about it later, I'm like, no,
that's not true.

535
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,080
That that's none of those.
Wall Street Journal hammered

536
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,560
them.
Investors Business Daily

537
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:00,840
hammered them.
Barons hammered them.

538
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,640
Every single, every single major
financial publication of the day

539
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,240
said that it was a huge, it was
a what do you call it when you,

540
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:16,120
when you, when you do something
for your own, for your own ego?

541
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,680
They said it was an ego boosting
flop.

542
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,000
You know, he did it because he
did it his way and he's going to

543
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,080
do it his way whether you think
it's right or not.

544
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,960
And it failed.
Well, he no longer had was

545
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,040
either when he did next and I
think that was very evident that

546
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,200
it was not very engineering,
engineering Seb.

547
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,960
And that kind of interesting
when you when you take away that

548
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,080
the other side of the
engineering coin that well, it

549
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,000
makes me wonder what kind of
what kind of what kind of input

550
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:52,440
did Wass have into the iPod?
Exactly a lot I think.

551
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,280
But if?
He did then then I would say.

552
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,120
Wait, was he even there anymore
after?

553
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:56,480
I don't know.
I.

554
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,840
Have no idea.
Well, when did Wass leave Apple?

555
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,000
I think it was early, earlier
than the iPhone.

556
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,760
I'm sure because if you got, if
someone gave you $20 million

557
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,360
back then when that was.
Funny.

558
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:10,720
You know who played Wass in the
Michael Fassbender 1?

559
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,560
It was Seth Rogen.
Seth Rogen played once, which I

560
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,440
thought was so funny.
Yeah.

561
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,600
Wow.
He, I mean, he could do it.

562
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,360
I could see.
It well, Seth Rogen's just Seth

563
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:25,920
Rogen anything like it's not
believable.

564
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:35,600
February of 85 S right around
that time. 85 he left.

565
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,840
Is that what he's doing?
Yeah.

566
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:52,840
OK, gotcha, gotcha.
Was was at Apple when Jobs came.

567
00:28:53,840 --> 00:29:00,520
This went from back.
That's the question, general.

568
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,480
There are two prominent
individuals named Oh God.

569
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,720
I love reading on the podcast.
This isn't fun to just Google.

570
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,920
Yeah, just recording here.
Yeah, it's very strange.

571
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,840
We should not do that, that we
were talking about

572
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,360
disappointment.
What do you think about other

573
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,920
disappointments?
I mean, I can think about like

574
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,320
relationships, you know, you go
through the different

575
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,480
relationships that I'm.
Disciplined like friendships or

576
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,960
something?
But I'm like, yeah, friendships,

577
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,400
friendship is probably better
than relationships because

578
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,200
relationships, you know, you're
still in love with someone and

579
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,480
your heart's broken and but she
didn't give a shit about you.

580
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,840
And I'm and I've been on as
weird as this might say on both

581
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,560
sides of that.
There was a quote I saw the

582
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,880
other day that says my biggest
conspiracy is that she believes

583
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,360
what she did was wrong.
I think that that's funny.

584
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,600
That's a funny thing.
But as you were saying.

585
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,280
Yeah.
And then but I think about like

586
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,680
disappointments.
I would say probably one of my

587
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:02,000
big my my My biggest
disappointment in cars was the

588
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,440
68 Buick Special I bought for
$400.

589
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,720
Oh yeah, I remember you telling
me.

590
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,640
About that I, I must have put, I
must have put 2 grand into that

591
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,280
and, and it just, it just, it
just was sucking the life out of

592
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,640
me.
That was money forever.

593
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,400
I had and you would just, and,
and every week it would just be,

594
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,640
you know, every couple weeks
it'd be something else.

595
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,040
That's like everybody I know
that's started doing like a

596
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,200
Miata build.
I remember that was really

597
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,080
popular about five years ago,
where people were buying these

598
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,880
used Miatas and they were
redesigned or not redesigning,

599
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,920
but they were just putting like
parts in them or something to

600
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,480
make them go again.
And everybody I knew that owned

601
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,640
a Miata at that time, it would
just break down on the side of

602
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,200
the road.
And I'm like, man, yeah, yeah,

603
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,760
that's.
I had, I mean my cars.

604
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:59,320
I the runabout Pento a 68 Buick
special was my first car

605
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,200
runabout was my second.
I brought that for bought that

606
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,880
from a brother for like a couple
100 bucks that was another 15102

607
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,400
thousand or 3000 in expenses to
keep it going.

608
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:19,200
My next car was a 86 Hyundai XL
brand new first time it broke

609
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,680
down I had 35,000 miles and it
was the gear shift.

610
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:31,080
What is a clutch?
And I mean after that most of my

611
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,000
cars, like I had a road, I had
that car until when the clutch.

612
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,400
Breaks.
It's really bad, right?

613
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,200
It's really expensive.
Yeah, well, I mean, I knew it

614
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,920
was slipping and I didn't.
I I was just sort of like

615
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,440
putting it off.
And then I think I was doing 80

616
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,400
or 90 miles an hour and coming
home one night because I worked

617
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:53,000
at a bar in downtown at
Georgetown and, and, and, and we

618
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,520
would be crazy till 4 and then
go home.

619
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,680
And then, and then at that time,
and then there's no cops out.

620
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,800
So you can just, the roads are
just heaven.

621
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,920
You know, it's empty and so you
can fly.

622
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,760
And at least that's what I
thought until I got arrested

623
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:06,720
once.
But that's another story.

624
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,760
Anyway, that was Were you
disappointed?

625
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,280
Yeah.
Yeah, I was disappointed on that

626
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,960
one too.
When you were thinking, thinking

627
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,080
about big disappointments, what
were the big disappointments?

628
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,240
I got, you know, oh, high
school, I remember when I was

629
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:28,440
16, I saw this van.
It was a Coca-Cola van and it

630
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,840
was in a the Parade magazine,
which is like a Sunday edition

631
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,600
that was always in.
It's really big.

632
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,960
And people from my era would
understand what the parade was.

633
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,640
It was a, it was Coca-Cola.
It was a contest and you could

634
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,360
win.
It was a step van, right?

635
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,920
And it had captain's chairs, 22
captain's chairs in the front.

636
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,080
It was like, you know, like a
regular big old giant Ford

637
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,160
Econoline fan, but it was
tricked out with pain and all

638
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,240
this kind of stuff on the side.
It was beautiful.

639
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,160
Had the big giant tires with the
everything.

640
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,400
And I saw that and I, I wished
for it and I sent in.

641
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,840
I must have sent in.
You could, you could cut and

642
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,000
paste of things.
I went and I got AI, went to AI,

643
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,680
forgot where the hell I went
Kinko's or something like that

644
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,040
and made copies because there
wouldn't be FedEx on every

645
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,400
corner.
None of that shit was around

646
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,400
then and I had to I made a ton
of copies of the thing and I

647
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,120
submitted them all separately.
I think I submitted 100 times,

648
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,080
which was crazy for me thinking
I was going to win because I

649
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:35,800
wanted to win that van.
And it was like a $20,000 van in

650
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:42,160
1976, which is nuts, you know?
And I wanted it so bad.

651
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,720
I had a great sound system and
have a skyroof it in the back.

652
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,720
It flipped out to a bed.
Oh man, I can hook up all the

653
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,280
chicks, you know, And it was
just like that.

654
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,640
That was my mindset.
And when I saw that somebody

655
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,800
else won it, I was just
heartbroken.

656
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,600
It just, it just it it really
for some stupid reason, I

657
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,159
remember that very specifically
as big setbacks.

658
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:10,840
Damn.
Damn.

659
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,840
I think I was almost counting on
it as something that would

660
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,440
happen.
You know how that is when you

661
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,000
when you look to the future and
you count on something that

662
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,040
you're kind of being unrealistic
about?

663
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,400
Well, that was like in
elementary school.

664
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,520
I remember they had the fun
fair, which was incredible.

665
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,960
Oh, an incredible time.
It was a fair that was used to

666
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,560
raise money every classroom.
It used to be like a carnival

667
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,719
style game or something.
There was wax hands.

668
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,440
They had a whole, what was it
like, outdoor moon bounce.

669
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,040
They put it inside.
It was like one of the obstacle

670
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,040
course ones, which I still want
to own one day.

671
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,960
And I remember when I got to
3rd, 4th grade, 3rd or 4th

672
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,760
grade, they cancelled it and
instead of doing the fun fair,

673
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,480
they planted 3 trees and I said
I hate trees.

674
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,240
I don't like them for the rest
of my life.

675
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,560
That's kind of where I've been
at with trees since that day.

676
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,840
But at the same time, there was
a carnival game where you would

677
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,560
guess how much candy was in a
ping pong ball container, and

678
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,520
then I got it wrong and then I
stole it, and then they never

679
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,320
found out.
So yeah, I don't know.

680
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,120
That's not a disappointment if
you got the candy.

681
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,560
Well, I lost it because when we
were doing the obstacle course

682
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,000
in the gym, I lost because you
get a brown bag.

683
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Every kid gets a brown bag with
his name on it.

684
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,400
And then I had the thing in the
the ping pong container full of

685
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,560
candy in there in one of the
brown bags.

686
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,200
And then I go back and there's
about 50 to 100 brown bags and I

687
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,360
forgot where to put it.
It was so sad.

688
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,040
That's so visceral to that
memory.

689
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,480
So somebody else got it.
So.

690
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,280
You made somebody else's life,
they picked it up, open it up,

691
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,400
and then they probably got
kicked out of school for

692
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,000
stealing it.
We can only hope.

693
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,320
We can really only hope.
So the disappointment kind of

694
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,760
goes away at that point, doesn't
it?

695
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,360
Yeah, but I still don't
understand when you're trying to

696
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:02,480
make people happy, canceling the
one thing that makes them happy

697
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,400
and planting 3 trees is the most
insane thing I think I could

698
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,960
ever think.
You remember you, you know, that

699
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,560
that whole thing was done by the
parents.

700
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,320
I mean, we were, we were around
the clock and the teachers, the

701
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,280
teachers put a lot of time into
that.

702
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,400
The fun fair and they didn't
get.

703
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,000
Paid for it that both the the
the fun fair.

704
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,560
Well, they were working.
I guess you're right because

705
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,280
that was on a they're.
Working around the clock and

706
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,640
they're also working, you know,
and they would have it on a day

707
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,080
during the day.
But The thing is, is that you

708
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,800
had to line up 20 parents and we
live in a neighborhood where

709
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,920
people hire people to stand in
line for them.

710
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,080
OK, so this is not something
that people would but.

711
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,680
That's not completely true
because the PTA in that

712
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,200
community is so overactive
because you have a lot of people

713
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,960
that worked at, I don't know,
E&Y or another white shoe law

714
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,240
firm.
And then they became retired.

715
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,000
They retired or not.
It didn't retire.

716
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,560
They became.
A pop out of kit.

717
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,480
Yeah, exactly.
And then they realized that they

718
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,400
their overbearing willingness at
work was no longer permitted in

719
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,560
the house, So they needed to be
overbearing on other people

720
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,600
outside of their home.
And that's when the PTA was kind

721
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,840
of really big.
And those people were so

722
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,480
overbearing and cruel in so many
ways because they took what they

723
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,120
learned at work and then they
applied it to their their school

724
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,640
lives, which is just so
improper.

725
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,120
So, so improper.
I remember you doing a business

726
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,200
plan in 3rd grade and I just
thought that was nuts.

727
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,360
Yeah.
What was that those?

728
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,560
People are like you.
You.

729
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,200
You invented a restaurant.
I thought of Zach.

730
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,160
Burger Zach Burger you had a
design of the restaurant.

731
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,640
You had you had to have menu,
you had menu items and you had

732
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,960
you couldn't just list the price
for two.

733
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,280
You had to have a discount if
you got over a certain amount.

734
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,480
And it just and it was like, and
it taught you how to do what is

735
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,480
it?
What is the Adobe PowerPoint

736
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,520
taught you how to do a
PowerPoint in 3rd grade which

737
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,680
which I was just like I could
not that was.

738
00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:58,560
Insane.
I could and and because you

739
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:04,000
could, you could literally see
the parents living through their

740
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,400
kids because, you know, they had
been powerful lawyers and

741
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,720
powerful, you know, partners at
large accounting firms and

742
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:13,920
things.
And now they had a kid.

743
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:19,280
And so they took it to the
school and they pushed the

744
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,320
school to do the different
things that they would get to be

745
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,400
there.
And I, I remember I was asking

746
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,160
like some of your friends what
they wanted to be when they grew

747
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:32,920
up in and one kid in 3rd grade
told me he wanted to be a

748
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,080
partner.
It's Skadden Arps.

749
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,840
And I was just like.
Yeah, I remember.

750
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,000
That that was, I mean, not a
fireman, not, not, not, not an

751
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,240
assassin, like an assassin would
be cool, you know, or that was.

752
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,960
Ender's brother too, who I don't
remember his name.

753
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,680
I remember it was just weird.
Very, very strange.

754
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,480
Very hyper Hyper.
What is it?

755
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,200
Competitive as well.
But but so many kids were there

756
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,440
were like that because the
people upstairs that were

757
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,040
controlling them were were
really, it's like I, you know,

758
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,600
as competitive as I am, I don't
know how competitive I made you

759
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,640
to some to a certain degree, but
I think that the the thing that

760
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:20,240
I was really looking for is that
you want to be competitive, but

761
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,800
you don't want to be freaking
nuts you.

762
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,040
Want to be competitive
internally, not externally.

763
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,360
Right, you need to if you're.
Externally, you're going to be

764
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,920
very disappointed in your life
because something's always going

765
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,240
to be better than you.
You need to learn what you want

766
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:36,240
to do on your own.
I can't tell you, I can't tell

767
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,280
you.
And I would say that being an

768
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:44,920
actor and being a producer and a
director and doing a form a, a,

769
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,480
a film, a documentary and do an
animation, it is so far from

770
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,680
anything that I ever thought you
would do.

771
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,320
Yeah, I really didn't know what
I mean.

772
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,000
I think it's wonderful that you
found it.

773
00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:00,120
I look at it and it would be the
most challenging thing in the

774
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,200
world to keep all those pieces
together.

775
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,520
But you do it and I think that's
nuts.

776
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,480
I think it's absolutely crazy.
It would drive me crazy.

777
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,080
I would probably have to take
more amphetamines than I do now.

778
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,440
I don't take any, but I would.
It's really bad, yeah.

779
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,480
The the amount of, I don't know,
I don't know, the amount of

780
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,800
pitching, the amount of
networking, I feel like it's 5

781
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,040
to 8 times more in this industry
than any other industry.

782
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,520
I don't know.
Yeah.

783
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,440
No, because, well, you meet a
bunch of people that are liars.

784
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,160
And that's the problem.
I feel like there's more liars

785
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,200
in the entertainment industry
than there are in any others

786
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,560
besides politicians, because
every politician is a liar.

787
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,520
So I mean, that's kind of what I
have to say about that, yeah.

788
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,120
Degrees of lies.
Yeah, it's true.

789
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,400
Yeah.
Is there any politician that

790
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,720
actually tells the truth?
Well, I I mean they, I think

791
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,400
that.
I don't think there is.

792
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,440
I don't think there's one of
them.

793
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,240
I don't think it really matters
what they say, it really matters

794
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,440
what they've done.
You know when you start to look

795
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,360
at your history?
And it's like when I start to

796
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,280
look at my legacy.
Because what they say is lies.

797
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,560
Is that what you're saying?
Is that one?

798
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:05,240
Yeah.
Right.

799
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,320
No, no, but but but if they've,
if I have cheated a charity and

800
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,640
if I have cheated people and I
have been horrible to if I've

801
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,000
been racist or whatever in the
past over time, if I have said

802
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,560
things over, if I lie every
time, if I cheap contractors, if

803
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,240
I do all these different things,
why would you expect me to do be

804
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:31,000
different if I became your
representative, I mean.

805
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,320
No, I completely agree.
I mean, if you got a whole, if

806
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,360
you got a history, and that's
what that's why you like some

807
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,800
people that are young because
they don't have a whole lot of

808
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,400
history.
The only thing you can get them

809
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,680
for is wearing blackface in high
school, you know?

810
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,400
And it's like, yeah, it's like.
Yeah, well, that's what the the

811
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,880
liberals really messed up is
when they started talking about

812
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,640
Brett Kavanaugh in college.
And I was like, you guys, you're

813
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,520
making and I'm I, I would
consider myself a Democratic

814
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,000
centrist.
And I was watching that.

815
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,080
I'm like, you're making me hate
you.

816
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,160
I'm like you're you're going
back to when he was 18 years old

817
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,440
and you're talking about a
stupid calendar that he wrote.

818
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,720
And I'm like, yeah, what?
What is the.

819
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,240
I don't know.
I understand.

820
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:11,640
The I think, I think I think the
idea is that if you rape

821
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,800
somebody once, you do it over
and over and over again.

822
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,320
A. 100% people don't.
And that was sort of the whole

823
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,000
idea and the problem, the
problem with that theory and

824
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:27,080
that conjecture and that whole
process isn't that it's they

825
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:32,200
had, they had two or three
others that, but they didn't

826
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,120
have anybody later in life.
And it's like I I'm.

827
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,560
You can't establish a through
line.

828
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,840
If it's in the beginning, well,
then it's kind of imparting upon

829
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,640
the viewer that, oh, if he was a
sexual assaulter of people at

830
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,960
this age, then he's going to
impart the same kind of branch

831
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,600
of knowledge when he's in a
Supreme Court judge, which is

832
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,720
not a terrible kind of thing,
But that also requires critical

833
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,080
thinking from the viewer, which
50.

834
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,760
Six.
Well, he wasn't, he wasn't, he

835
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,120
wasn't, he wasn't divorced three
times.

836
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,080
He didn't cheat on his wives.
He didn't, he didn't, he didn't

837
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,920
do all the things that you would
think that somebody that was a

838
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,480
rapist would do.
He didn't.

839
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,920
He didn't have all those ticks.
He didn't have all those tricks.

840
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,960
He never, he wasn't there.
There weren't 20 women that

841
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,240
lined up to say he did this to
me.

842
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,760
They, they didn't have them.
So they had some, but they had

843
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,280
so few and they were from long
ago.

844
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,800
And it's like bull.
I don't, you know.

845
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,520
Yeah, it, it made no sense
watching that.

846
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,400
I was like you guys completely.
Thomas Thomas.

847
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:43,400
Clarence Thompson, Thomas.
They had many more lined up than

848
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,200
Anita Hill.
Biden wouldn't let him listen to

849
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,360
him.
So oh wow.

850
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,040
Hold it.
She's there saying, hey, this

851
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,520
guy said he used to talk to me
in derogatory tones and he would

852
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,320
say, hey, you got a, it looks
like you got a pube on the coke

853
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,480
there.
You need another one, you know,

854
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,000
And he would say shit like that.
Clarence Thomas would.

855
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,960
That's who you're talking.
About and he said that to Anita

856
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,240
Hill, who was his what he clerk
and he but he did this to a lot

857
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:11,600
of different people.
And The thing is, I would tell

858
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,560
you that my wife worked in the
late 80s and early 90s in law

859
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,200
firms and when they went to the
Hill, the the Congress people

860
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,440
were absolute shit.
They would literally grab your

861
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,160
boob while they're talking to
you.

862
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,520
This doesn't shock me at all.
And they would, I mean, think

863
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:31,640
about that today.
I mean.

864
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,560
Like, yeah, wait, we're supposed
to respect these people as well?

865
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,240
We're supposed to Yeah, but
you're like and, and and I had

866
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:41,160
one that said Strom Thurmond was
a grouper and he would run after

867
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,160
you around.
And that's why women, when they

868
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,480
went and talked to him, they
would always go when a group and

869
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,560
they would always be in a room,
a conference room, because then

870
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:51,880
you could go around the table to
get away from him while you're

871
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,640
talking to him.
And you're trying to, and this

872
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,640
guy has a lot of power and
you're trying to get him to do

873
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:00,240
something and he's over there.
I want to grab your ass, you

874
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:01,520
know, and you're like.
Jesus.

875
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,000
You know, women just and, and
what are they going to do?

876
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,400
OK, I'm, I'm making 20 grand a
year.

877
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,360
I'm working as a paralegal.
I'm being, I'm being assaulted

878
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,200
by a guy who's a senior member
of the Senate.

879
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,000
Guess what's going to happen?
I'm going to lose my job.

880
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,040
I'm going to disappear from life
and he's going to.

881
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:20,600
Nothing's going to.
Change exactly.

882
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,800
So you you don't.
You don't.

883
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,040
When you have no power and you
try to attack power, generally

884
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,080
you get sacrificed.
The cool thing is, is that if

885
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,440
enough people get sacrificed,
ultimately they drop down.

886
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,960
But you don't want to be the
first one to be.

887
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,280
It's martyrdom.
It's martyrdom is what you're

888
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,840
talking about.
That's what it is.

889
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,520
Martyrdom.
At least you get to be known

890
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,360
well.
In the.

891
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,200
Beginning the way they cut these
people to pieces is just just.

892
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:48,880
Horrible.
It's always the first three

893
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,640
women that come out.
That are always the woman, the

894
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,760
woman that testified against
Kavanaugh has moved.

895
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,440
She does not.
She does not have any presence

896
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,080
that you can find anywhere.
I think she's moved multiple

897
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,040
times too.
She's moved multiple times.

898
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,200
She's three different times
since that people.

899
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,000
She still gets death threats
occasionally if she's seen.

900
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:14,040
And you think like, and I, I
believe her story is true.

901
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,800
I'm not, I, I don't know that.
I mean, somebody would come out

902
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,760
of the woodwork like that.
She didn't want to testify and

903
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,320
she knew the consequences.
And she's a college professor.

904
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,320
So she's like, I don't need this
shit.

905
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:30,280
And you look at that and you see
what happens to those people and

906
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,880
you wonder why people won't come
forward.

907
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,520
And now you got people like
wiping out the whistleblowers

908
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,400
and it's like, OK, Oh, yeah,
you're, you're better off

909
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,560
waiting till your boss turns his
turns his back and, and sticking

910
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,480
some, you know, made-up shit in
his drawer, you know, and

911
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,160
letting somebody else find it.
Blackmail does seem to work

912
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,280
rather well, but.
That's sad, sad, very sad.

913
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,240
But that's not a disappointment,
is it?

914
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,520
Is that a disappointment?
I'm disappointed in our system.

915
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,840
I.
Mean I'm disappointed in our

916
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,920
system right now.
I think I'm more disappointed

917
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,240
than I've ever been disappointed
before.

918
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,040
I've been disappointed pretty
much since I was born in the

919
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,600
system.
I would say I think the through

920
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,680
and through I've been
disappointed.

921
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,880
I think there I, I, there, there
are certain high points.

922
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,520
I thought it was really good
that more and more people had

923
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,960
access to health.
And I don't know if health

924
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:25,160
insurance is right, You know, I
mean, so many more were covered.

925
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,240
I don't know if that if that
increased the longevity of life

926
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:29,640
or not.
I'm I'm very curious.

927
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,280
Yeah, it doesn't really seem so.
I don't know.

928
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,280
Yeah, when you say seeing, it's
like we don't know.

929
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,320
We, we, I I could well, I don't
want to speculate.

930
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:44,640
There's things, there's a,
there's a site US something or

931
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,080
other that U.S. data or
something like that that puts

932
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,920
out all the information in the
world and you can grab it there.

933
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,680
And it's I'm going to go look at
it after this podcast and maybe

934
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,480
we'll bring it up again in the
future, you know, and do that

935
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:57,520
and do that.
Oh yeah, that's right.

936
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,480
Oh yeah.
You know what we should do?

937
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,800
What I was talking about earlier
in this episode is.

938
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,120
Not be disappointed.
No, no.

939
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,000
I've been looking at other
people's shows online and

940
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,320
there's this guy named Tim
Dillon and he's a comedian and

941
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,160
you can see like he wears
sunglasses and he has like this

942
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,920
table, but he has like 3 or 4
different teleprompters with all

943
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,920
of this stuff that he's written.
And I think maybe we should try

944
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,200
a little preparedness when I get
back from Mongolia, OK, after I

945
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,360
shoot this feature because I
think that that would be really

946
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,840
interesting to what Like what
would it be like if me and you

947
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,400
looked at a topic and actually
researched it for, I don't know,

948
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,160
like 3 days or something like
that?

949
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,440
Well, let's let's.
Put some.

950
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,680
This is what is the.
This is episode 112.

951
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,840
No, this episode is on.
I forgot.

952
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,040
This is on disappointment.
I'm going to do right as soon as

953
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,080
we're done here, I'm going to do
I'm going to do my perplexity,

954
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,840
I'm going to do disappointment
and I'm going to say write me 30

955
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,960
minutes on a 30 minute podcast
on disappointment and then I'm

956
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,600
going to give it and then I'm
going to send it to you and

957
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,640
we'll see are.
You talking about ChatGPT?

958
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,560
Is that what you're?
Talking about no perplexity is 1

959
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,040
I have.
I like ChatGPT.

960
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:12,440
Is you can't use.
That's so lazy, no?

961
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,800
No, I I understand it's lazy,
but what I want to do is I want

962
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,000
to see that once we get to a
structure where we can actually

963
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,360
grow, then we then we will be
less disappointed.

964
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,320
Yeah, I want to grow faster.
I mean, and that's what I think

965
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:27,920
after shooting this feature,
that's what she said.

966
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,000
Really going to unlock for us
is.

967
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,480
That I want it to grow faster.
You're a funny guy.

968
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,400
You're a funny guy.
You know what your.

969
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,040
Does anybody talk to their kid
like this?

970
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,880
This is just absolutely we.
Often have that conversation.

971
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,120
It's not fair.
Is there any father, son

972
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,200
relationship out there that is
this raunchy, this, yeah, this

973
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,920
out of pocket.
And I don't think I've ever seen

974
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,200
one.
Yeah, but I don't know, you

975
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:53,720
know?
Well, you as long as you know

976
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:55,400
that all your problems are my
fault.

977
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,800
And they are all your fault and
I blame you for everything.

978
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,560
Well, my problems are because
I'm really disappointed in

979
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,280
everything you do.
That's really funny.

980
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,480
That's really funny.
Well, I'm really smart.

981
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,560
I went to a really good school.
Yeah, I'm really stupid.

982
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,800
I went to a shitty school.
That's why we balance each other

983
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:15,920
out, don't you think?
Exactly.

984
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,240
Exactly.
That's why I'm a renowned

985
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:20,200
intellectual.
Some say that I'm the most, the

986
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,560
highest level of intellectual in
America.

987
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:23,600
The people look to me.
I.

988
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,360
Was going to say as a.
Leader of the youth, as a leader

989
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,200
of the youth, That's what they
say, Noam.

990
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,240
Chomsky, but I am.
Who I am.

991
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:35,920
I am shocked by the amount that
you read and impresses me and

992
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,840
I'm actually a little jealous
that you have that ability to

993
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,920
focus on it.
And I think that's like, that's

994
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,120
a really cool quality.
It really increases your.

995
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,880
Level.
I'm disappointed in myself that

996
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,000
I can't keep up with that.
And it's always like I keep

997
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,920
looking at it.
I've grabbed your books.

998
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,200
I read the first 10 pages.
I said I'm on a desk.

999
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,360
I never look at them again.
If I have another, boring as

1000
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,080
hell, I swear.
To know I'm I I grab your UVA

1001
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:58,880
reading list.
I can do that.

1002
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:00,920
I can do that.
No, I can't.

1003
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,160
I couldn't.
The only reason I read the books

1004
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,200
at UVA those specific ones is
because I was forced to.

1005
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,480
I would never read those for
fun.

1006
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,600
My God.
Especially since you have a

1007
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,040
teacher teaching you those
books.

1008
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,880
It's a lot easier than just
reading.

1009
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:21,000
I don't know, primary sources
from 1890 to 1985 about China.

1010
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,960
Like you could read through all
those primary sources, but what

1011
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,600
the fuck would that even give
you if you had no idea what the

1012
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,640
time lapses were between the
Great Leap Forward and then the

1013
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,120
what was it not the Velvet
Revolution?

1014
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,920
Those checklist.
The Boxer Rebellion.

1015
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:37,960
There we go.
Yeah.

1016
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,840
The Great Leap Forward.
And then how the Boxer Rebellion

1017
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,040
directly affiliated towards the
Great Leap Forward.

1018
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,040
Charleston Heston was in that
great movie.

1019
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,440
We should watch that.
Oh yeah. 55 days of PK.

1020
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,680
I want to watch.
It is an amazing and

1021
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,720
cinematography everything.
It's one of the early color

1022
00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:05,800
films it and it is about, you
know, America, the US military

1023
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:12,080
being on the ground in a Fort in
Peking with I think, I don't

1024
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,000
know if the Boxers were in
China.

1025
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,080
They were protecting them.
Typing rebellion was something

1026
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,520
different.
And they starved to death.

1027
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,600
There were a lot of them dead.
So it was really, it was just

1028
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,160
really.
Well, the whole thing that

1029
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,320
happened after the Boxer
Rebellion too is that China owed

1030
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:29,160
between, what was it Germany,
France, America and England.

1031
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,120
They owed them like $10 billion
across four different countries,

1032
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,880
which they in $10 billion in
like 1910 was a little or 1930s

1033
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,800
yeah, was a little dirty 30.
Something.

1034
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,160
Yeah, the boxwood value, we
said.

1035
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,600
What was that?
That was 19-O2.

1036
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:47,400
Wasn't. 19 yeah, it took
nineteen O 4 was something like

1037
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:48,440
that.
Let's Google it because we love

1038
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,840
the makeup.
The 30's, the 30s was Germany

1039
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,840
owned a lot of money to the rest
of the world after the first.

1040
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,800
Oh yeah, it was at the turn of
the century, what do you know?

1041
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,960
What was the Taiping Rebellion?
The Who?

1042
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:03,880
The Taiping Rebellion that was
between the nationalists.

1043
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,240
That that might have been
probably 39 I would think.

1044
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,560
Maybe I'm confusing the two
1850.

1045
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,320
Oh wow.
Same thing I said 39 I meant.

1046
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,400
Yeah, we're really, we're really
good at dudes.

1047
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,120
Well, I'm sorry that I don't
really remember a class that I

1048
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,720
took five years ago.
You know what?

1049
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,120
Sorry that I didn't.
Really, I think you should say

1050
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,040
you're.
Disappointed the Qing dynasty in

1051
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,960
the Taiping.
Yeah, the Heavenly Kingdom was

1052
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:33,040
the the not elitist, but they
were, it was kind of a a cult at

1053
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,000
that time that was trying to
take over the Qing dynasty

1054
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,720
because the Qing dynasty was
weakened.

1055
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,240
And that's what it was.
Now I remember.

1056
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,280
And then there the guy was
crazy.

1057
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,560
If I remember, he was having
these visions and he was trying

1058
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,120
to become a like a overseer or
something in the government.

1059
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,640
And he failed the test so many
times.

1060
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,320
He's like, well, I saw Jesus and
Jesus told me that I need to

1061
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,960
start this movement.
And then he started the Taiping,

1062
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,440
basically the people, the, the
cult, as it were.

1063
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,760
And then that led to the Taiping
rebellion.

1064
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,920
Yeah.
Wow, so when you think about

1065
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,520
we're back to being disappointed
are there when you think about

1066
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:15,480
the major disappointments in
your life other than me losing

1067
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:20,480
me, my God, every time my car
broke down on the side of the

1068
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:26,080
road and how come it never
happened going to work, my car

1069
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,400
never broke down going to work.
It only broke broke down going

1070
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,400
to home.
That's so funny.

1071
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,120
I, I just like and I can six or
seven times I was on the side of

1072
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,960
the road and I, that's when I
vowed last time that I'm buying

1073
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,880
new cars and people, you should
buy used cars better value.

1074
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,800
I'm like, no, I, I, I've spent a
third of my life on the side of

1075
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:50,400
the road.
And I mean, my car breaks down

1076
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,560
in DC and I have to walk to King
Street, which is not a short.

1077
00:54:54,560 --> 00:55:01,080
Have you walked that far?
I walked, I walked from 14th St.

1078
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,360
to the 14th St.
Bridge.

1079
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:07,040
So I walked from where we were
and that's probably a mile, not

1080
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:11,200
that far.
And then I got a taxi to the

1081
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,680
exit for King Street and he
dropped me off there.

1082
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,480
And then I walked from there to
Larchmont Village Apartments

1083
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:23,400
when I, I, I used to walk to
back and forth from the

1084
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:28,040
Woodbridge campus and what the
hell was it?

1085
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,680
Normandy Community College.
And I would walk to my house on

1086
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,640
14 two O 8 Randall Drive, which
is over by Maroska Plaza.

1087
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,320
And that was 5 1/2 miles.
And I would I would do that

1088
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,080
quite.
That's pretty far uphill both

1089
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,400
ways, right?
Uphill both ways and it was

1090
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,680
always a snowstorm while it was
raining and lightning.

1091
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,400
Yes.
And I didn't let you wear

1092
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:48,360
clothes at that time.
Yeah.

1093
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,400
No, because it was.
Caveman Times.

1094
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:54,560
Yes, and and I used to have a
small weenie.

1095
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,920
Man, I wonder, I really wonder,
really, really something I

1096
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,840
really wonder about is the
demographic of this podcast and

1097
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,200
like, 'cause we need to do a
podcast on it when I get back

1098
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,920
about like the demographic of
what we're trying to reach and

1099
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,360
then what are consolidated niche
is.

1100
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:20,640
And Nici, I really don't know.
I really don't know who the the

1101
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,560
niche or the demographic is for
this, you know?

1102
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,400
Well, I mean, we, we, I mean,
it's more, well, that's a good

1103
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:28,280
question.
When we think about

1104
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,040
relationships, it's, it's really
relationship wise and you can

1105
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,640
listen to it and we have points
on relationships and how to

1106
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,160
communicate with between an
older person and a younger

1107
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:43,480
person, a family member.
Hopefully it gives people

1108
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:48,080
insight into how to communicate.
Hopefully it gives people

1109
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:54,920
insight into it's, it's, it's
really good to take the first

1110
00:56:54,920 --> 00:57:00,560
step when you're dealing with a
son or daughter or uncle or

1111
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,920
cousin or whatever to be, to
open yourself up.

1112
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,920
And I mean, you're going to, you
get a little pain because, well,

1113
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,360
the demographic, most of the
time they tell you to piss off.

1114
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,800
And anybody I.
Think it's a really big thing.

1115
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,880
The demographic of anybody
willing to kind of want to

1116
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,160
repair their relationship or
make their relationship deeper

1117
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:26,000
with their parents is a hard
demographic to reach because

1118
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,640
that's an unknowing demographic.
That's a demographic that

1119
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,520
doesn't know what they want yet.
Right?

1120
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,040
Right.
And it's like, how do you reach

1121
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:33,640
a demographic that doesn't know
what they want yet?

1122
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,560
Like, I don't know.
That's an interesting question.

1123
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,240
Well, it's and usually they're
not even going to start looking

1124
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,400
at this or working on this until
their kids, 12 or 13, they

1125
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,320
accidentally hear.
This is really how or they hear

1126
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,920
it from somebody else is really
how that spreads.

1127
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,800
But then we, I mean, we talk
about so many diverse things and

1128
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,520
it's our opinions on them,
right?

1129
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:53,920
Yeah, I mean we.
Talked about, we talked about

1130
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:58,600
the banking crisis, the Silicon
Valley Bank that crashed and how

1131
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:03,840
horrible it was and how that the
CEO was the, he was the head of

1132
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,880
the San Francisco Fed.
And of all the people in the

1133
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,600
world that should know how to
run a friggin bank, it's the

1134
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,000
person that's ahead of the Fed.
The San Francisco Fed should

1135
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,080
have known about this.
Yeah, last episode.

1136
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,120
And yeah.
And so here I go, back again,

1137
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,120
harping off on this because it's
a disappointment.

1138
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,200
When we talk about things that
grind our gears, I guess that's

1139
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:29,520
this episode specifically, but
we love bass pro Oh, I had to

1140
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,840
donate a bunch of my clothes
recently because I'm an adult

1141
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,120
now.
It's funny, I look at the last

1142
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,560
three years photos of my.
Face.

1143
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:36,480
Oh my God, you're cut.
You're.

1144
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,200
There's not crap all over your
room.

1145
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:39,160
I just noticed.
Yeah, yeah.

1146
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,120
It's clean.
You like that?

1147
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:41,680
You're like, yeah.
What the hell?

1148
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,440
It's really not.
You're dating somebody back in

1149
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,040
the chair.
Well, I've been dating her, so

1150
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,520
yeah, I don't know.
But I just.

1151
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,960
Came over one time and said are
you kidding me?

1152
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,040
Cuz you're, you're a mess and
you're, you're Oscar the Grouch.

1153
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:54,920
You live in a trash can.
That's what she said.

1154
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,400
And then she flicked to my
forehead and then she left.

1155
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,800
But as I was saying, you ever
look at the photos in the past

1156
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,120
three years of your face and
you're like, wow, like I, I look

1157
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,960
completely different.
I think I look different on a

1158
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,840
yearly basis.
It's crazy.

1159
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,960
Like my face changes year to
year and I don't know why.

1160
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,880
It's crazy.
Mine is.

1161
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,000
That's a good point because I
don't look at my face closely.

1162
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:24,160
I look more at my stature and I
see that like 3 years ago I was

1163
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,800
fatter.
You were fatter 3 years ago,

1164
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,720
that's true.
Well, that was the pandemic,

1165
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,400
wasn't it?
Yeah, yeah, I was drunker.

1166
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,120
We I was certainly drunker 3
years ago.

1167
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,360
Oh my gosh.
Drunker.

1168
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,960
I think I was drinking like a
lot.

1169
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,920
Like, way too much.
Yeah, No, I'm glad, I said.

1170
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,240
The pandemic's not still going
on, and we're just getting

1171
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,560
hammered in the.
I'm not going to lie, there's

1172
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:48,160
part of.
Me.

1173
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,600
That misses that I'm not this.
Is the way life should be.

1174
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,760
Like, imagine if I got my paper
degree and then I spent the next

1175
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,520
five years of my life until I
was 30 getting drunk in the

1176
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,680
garage.
I wouldn't be married.

1177
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,720
Well, what would the jobs?
I would not be married.

1178
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,040
Let's let's speculate.
I would not be married.

1179
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,440
You would not be married, This
is true.

1180
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,480
And then and then we'd be
smoking cigars in the house.

1181
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,840
But what was I gonna say?
We had a.

1182
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,160
Notary reader out there.
So we had, we had the big, we

1183
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,080
had the cigar.
Not during the cigar.

1184
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:23,760
Was it during the pandemic?
Yeah, it was.

1185
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:24,160
Oh.
Yeah, you're right.

1186
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,400
It was on the whole time but it
kept remember going.

1187
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:33,120
I remember I had it removed.
Well, I remember when we took it

1188
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:37,280
off the ceiling and it fell on
me and that hurt like a lot.

1189
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,280
That's.
That's when I was wondering if

1190
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,040
you did go to a really good
school and you were really

1191
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,280
smart.
Well, I put my head underneath

1192
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,280
it to hold it, like press it to
the ceiling and then with my

1193
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,440
arms on the side.
But I when you take the bolts

1194
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,440
out, you really don't know how
heavy that thing is.

1195
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,080
And there's really no guessing
of how heavy it was.

1196
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,720
Yeah.
And then I just threw it on the

1197
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,120
ground and it was hit my
shoulder or something.

1198
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,520
I don't know.
Yeah, it did.

1199
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,440
It fell on you.
Yeah, it fell on my shoulder.

1200
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:08,240
Yeah, but I digest.
I digest.

1201
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,440
So other, other when you think
about disappointments, we should

1202
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:16,480
close, we should close this with
the if I was to pick my biggest

1203
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:17,760
disappointment, it's my most
recent one.

1204
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,720
It's the Stanford thing.
I'm going to try, I'm going to

1205
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,760
write something to try to change
that or mitigate that I've in,

1206
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,880
in, in, in my disappointments
over time.

1207
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,440
I feel like when I'm
disappointed that I have to

1208
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:35,680
design a plan of action to if I
come to cross a situation again,

1209
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,720
I want to, I want to react to it
differently.

1210
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:42,520
I don't I, I, I, I want to say,
OK, if I go and I apply to MIT

1211
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,840
and I tried and I get failed
there, it's not because going to

1212
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,720
be because I didn't take the
application process seriously.

1213
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,400
I'm going to do it a lot
differently.

1214
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,040
And I think that I've done this
with everything like, you know,

1215
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,160
and I try not to.
And I think it comes down to

1216
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:03,040
I'll make the same mistake
twice, but I won't make it 3

1217
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,240
times.
I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm

1218
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,200
resilient enough to be able to
change what I do and how I do it

1219
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,600
to do that.
I think that that's, that's,

1220
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:17,160
that's one of my great qualities
is the ability to deal with

1221
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,000
disappointment because I look
at, I mean my life, you know,

1222
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,560
growing up in the 60s and where
we were in the house.

1223
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,520
I'm not, I think.
That kind of stuff.

1224
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,240
Wearing your brother's clothes
until you're 19.

1225
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,280
That kind of transferred on to
me and that I don't get

1226
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,360
disappointed at my failures.
I learn how to overcome them and

1227
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,960
I think that resiliency is
something that is incredibly

1228
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,840
important.
That took me a long time as a

1229
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:42,960
kid to understand, but I think
now I understand it somewhat.

1230
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,720
But I remember.
Time What is the the age-old

1231
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,160
joke?
It's like shame me once or fool

1232
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,560
me once, shame on me, fool me
twice, shame on you.

1233
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,360
But then there's another one.
It's like, fool me three times,

1234
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:56,920
shame on you.
You're taking advantage of me.

1235
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,920
You already do have to take
advantage of me or something

1236
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,000
like that.
It's it's funny, Yeah.

1237
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,800
I think my advice is just
remember if you get in an

1238
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,160
argument, punch him in the face,
don't push.

1239
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,160
Follow that rule.
Just to tell you now, I think

1240
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:12,840
it's you.
Stop that.

1241
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,520
Yeah, I stopped punching people
in the face when I was.

1242
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:17,600
I see.
I love that.

1243
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,680
I thought that was the greatest
advice in the world at the time.

1244
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,800
I think it was terrible advice.
But then it was me and then it

1245
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,520
and then it came back to really
bite me in the ass.

1246
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,880
And it's like, who told you
that?

1247
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,760
Yeah, no, that was not great
advice.

1248
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:32,840
Oh, wait, what do?
What do we have for time here?

1249
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:33,680
Are we, are we good?
Oh.

1250
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,280
Yeah, we're over an hour.
We talk a lot.

1251
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:37,240
This is really easy.
Yeah.

1252
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:38,320
Yeah.
All right.

1253
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:39,400
Well, we'll talk to you next.
Week.

1254
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,120
Yeah, we're definitely very easy
breezy worms.

1255
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,680
Yeah, I've been lazy on the
YouTube I got to get.

1256
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,440
I got to teach you how to do
that so I don't have to do it

1257
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,080
anymore.
I'm disappointed that it didn't

1258
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,240
last any longer than it has so
far, yeah.

1259
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,080
That's fair.
Yeah, that's all right.

1260
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,480
We'll see you later.
Bye bye.