Covid

0:02 Welcome back to another episode of a record of my father. Here we are. What is this episode 8 this season? Season three. So here we go. 8 or 9 actually. Look at us already. What are you doing? Are you doing arithmetic there, Matt? Yeah, I think so. I think you know that barely add at this point, but today we're going to be talking about COVID and our experience during the pandemic because I don't think we ever really touched on that, did we? No. We didn't. It was. It sucked, but did we start? I think we started this kind of at the tail end of it started what? Oh, this. Oh the Yeah, we. Started the whole thing. At the tail end of this, it was. I think I was in college, right? Yeah, not 2023. It was right at the right at the very tail end because we were like looking for you know, ways to, I don't know, I.

0:49 Think it was after I graduated though. I think it was in, yeah. Yeah, you had time. But I accomplished some of my greatest things during COVID. I mean, I got into University of Virginia, I wrote, I wrote a book as well. And then I started reading a lot again. So those were some of the few things that I accomplished, which was surprising that I got anything done at all. Like, I don't know. Well, I would say that I doubled my liquor consumption. Oh, me as well. Maybe. Triple, maybe triple. And 'cause I I I just so it was so weird because it was just like, don't go out and go anywhere and buy anything, you know, 'cause if you go to the store, you're, I mean, in the beginning we would go to the store and remember, we would wash the food and I.

1:37 Remember that. Oh my God. You know, when you look back to that and you're going like, really? I got to a point where I was like, I'd rather die than fucking use a Clorox wipe to a a Peach ever again. Yeah. No. No, no, I don't. I don't care anymore. That's there's a point. But the I think the interesting thing is, is that how how through time that when you think about when it first started to like each time you caught it. I mean, I think I've, I've tested positive four times. I believe I've had it five times. And so it's like, I've had it a lot, you know, And I've had it like devastatingly like 15 days, lose 19 lbs, something like that.

2:20 Which is the first time you got It was real bad. I remember you. I thought you were going to die. I couldn't get out of bed. It was it was the weirdest thing in the world. I would sleep, I go to bed at like 8:00 at night. I would wake up at 10:00 the next morning, and I get up and I go, Nope. I'm going to go back to sleep for another hour or two, but I got to pee. OK, make it to the restroom. Come back and lay back down. Sleep for two more hours. Get up. Say, you know, I should probably drink some waters and then get up and then go downstairs. OK. I'm ready for the day. I'd have a cup of coffee, drink glass of water, and it'd be 1:00 and I'd be like, OK, I think I want to take a nap.

3:03 And this was like I mean. I have to say the sleep regimen was really good. I'd have to say I've never gotten better sleep in my life. I wouldn't, I hate to say. I would go back and pay for that type of sleep because I got more sleep and it was just dead to the world. Oh yeah, you know, you know, people wake up, wake up, man. I was like, there's deep sleep and then there's like subatomic or whatever the hell it is when you're deeper. Oh, the the R.E.M. Was like, are you talking about? The R.E.M. cycle. No, I was Earth's core sleep. That's what I was. I was all the way down. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I remember that.

3:45 That was great. But also like you, you everything hurt. I didn't really get that. I think I had like chest pain. I had really, really bad chest pain. Like it got to a point to where I was like, I'm having a stroke or something. Heart attack, I remember. Yeah, I remember that cause. Yeah, as a remember. When I went to the, were you in the? I'm done, yeah. Were you in the? Were you there when I went? To the I was not in the ER, but they mom was telling me that yeah, you wanted to go get the antibodies. There's something, right? First I thought. I had it, No. First they thought I had a heart attack. Oh, wow. I did the antibodies like 6 months or nine months later and I went there. The first time.

4:29 There was no antibodies or what? Wasn't anything like that at all 'cause it was in. February, which she never told me that before. Anything. And I I got, I got taken, I couldn't get out of bed. My chest had seized and I would just come up and I'd be like, I can't get out, You can't get out of bed kicking on a bed. And I was making these weird squeaky noises and she's looking at me and going like, what do you think I should do? And, you know, maybe let me die. Was that when you had COVID? Yeah, I think. They did not test for it, 'cause they didn't have any tests then that was that was in February. Remember, it happened in Wu Tang Clan in in January, and then it came here and then by February nobody was like nobody was believing that anything was happening and it was all going to go away. Like A Bola or something?

5:14 Yeah, it's. Like, it's it's it's one of these limited things. No, exactly. But the but the doctors weren't ready for it. And they tested me and they did all this different stuff and all my blood was fine and all my heart was fine and everything was good. And then at the end of the day, they're like, well, I guess you're fucked, you know? And they they they just, they sent me off. And then they gave you a an invoice for $40,000, right it. Was only 8000 that time they? Told. Me to They told me to go to a heart specialist. Ah, OK, gotcha. But. Then by the next day it was OK. That's what they always do as well. They're like, we can't find anything, but here's we're going to garnish your wages at Autism they. Did that when I had the fragment in my spine, it was the same kind of thing where I went in there and it was, it was, that was $11,000 worth of tests.

5:57 And they're like, well, we can't give any more drugs, 'cause you're going to die if we do. So that's all we can do. Bye. I'm like, So what do you, what happens? And they're like, well, you you need to go see a back specialist. And I'm going like, well, OK, so are you going to make me stop screaming randomly here or? You can't do. Anything about that, sorry. Yeah, but what did you do during COVID? You, well, you kind of were beginning to understand that you were retiring, I think. I think that that's. Something. Yeah, because I had left Relics who which had bought Intelligized 3 years before. But I I left in December of that year and COVID hit February the following year. So I was totally freaking free soul with retirement.

6:41 But then retirement of you can't go anywhere. Yeah, so. So it was open season on the park. Everyone to the park, you know? And also is this like? We did do a lot of walking, didn't we? Yeah. Yeah. Well, if you look at the national stats for like liquor consumption in 2020 and 2021, it, it increased I think by 60 or 70%, which means that everybody drank twice, not just a little bit more. Oh, what? Twice what they do. Well, there was AI would yeah, I'm sorry, continue. Now you go ahead. I was gonna say there's this comedian that was like, yeah, just during the pandemic, I'd just be in the living room and I'd just black out and it's like just like I'd just be watching TV and be black out drunk in the living room. It's like it's.

7:33 So funny when you think about that. And it's like, that's like, that's all I was. Yeah. And it was just like, this thing is just like, well, you know, what's the point? Yeah. We're stuck here. And at first they were, everybody was trying to say no, no, not so bad, not so bad, not so bad. Yet everybody's dying over there and one out of 100 that goes in the hospital dies and you go on a ventilator and you're like, no, I don't want to deal with that. I want to be drunk when I die. That's all I want to tell you that. Yeah. Or I want to. I want to have least of been able to say, wow, this was cool and I had a great time and I'm dead now. Yeah. And there there were, what'd they say, 400,000 that died in the first year? I think so, yeah.

8:16 It was real close to. That was that worldwide or was that nationally? No, that's just. US Oh, that was nationally. So I mean, you break that down to like how many people is that per state? It's people, you know, we knew people, friends of friends that had died from it. So for me it was like, you know and and I'm sure it's not easily. Especially people with autoimmune disorders. That was a that was a big thing as well. Yeah, it was autoimmune. And then they're saying, oh, it's only people that are out of shape and it's like that's half over half of America. That's a lot of, yeah. You know, I mean, how would you argue that means 8000 just if you were just to randomly throw the number across, it's 8000 per state? Wow.

9:01 I mean that's like that's that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a chunk. What is a heart attack nationally per year? It's I think it's like. Oh, it's probably a lot. More, Yeah, I think it's like 203 hundred thousand. Yeah, I think it's pretty close it. Passed that you know it started passing. That's what made it odd, yeah. And it was very like quick, you know, it just. And then then they came out with the vaccine and everybody's all freaked out about the vaccine. They said the vaccine would cure it and keep it away. And it didn't. No. They also said that in the beginning that masks weren't helpful. And I remember. That I remember that too. That really pissed me off. Mm hmm. They never came out and apologized. They never said. Say one thing and then be like oh wait, that was that was wrong.

9:42 You're you're NIH. You're supposed to tell us what the Hell's going on. You're not supposed to. And what they were, you know what? What was said later, not by them. But what was said later is, oh, they were just doing it because they thought everybody would hoard supplies. Well, no shit, yeah. You know. Exactly. But it's not. It's not their job to protect some of America. It's their job to report. To all of us, you. Know and that's. And that's what led to the whole mistrusting of the CDC. Yeah. And he was like, oh, when they go back. Home, they started off on a shitty foot and then granted, they're they were dealing with the person who was a little unreasonable. But you know, hey.

10:29 But then that gives like the the fuel for the fire to say, oh, well, you can't trust the CDC 'cause they go back on their word like they did, right, right. And and then and then that's when the whole the reporting and when people doubts a scientific institution, that's when you start running into gigantic. And and and then you could argue another argument is as well. With science you don't know all the factors in the beginning you learn over time. So at first they could have said masks don't matter, but then they start giving. Then they start trying masks and they say, well, they actually do offer some help. Exactly, yeah. Which they did.

11:09 Yeah. You know, and that's something that's and and that would be something I would say that's what we learned over time. But I mean, I guess I don't ever remember seeing that publicized. All I remember is masks aren't health anywhere in February and then a couple months later for some reason they were mandatory and restaurants and crap. Yeah, it's. Just to beyond me and I understand that science changes. I, I, I, I absolutely understand when you find new information, when you find new stuff about this and I think the idea that well it's easy to be critical in hindsight, but they they there's there's so much that they could have done that we made it better.

11:50 Let it always is too. I realized that, you know, we can blame the guy at the top too, because he was very, what do you call it, hostile chains, you know, And there was the economy went from humming along to zero. You know, everybody's getting wiped out. They he goes out and says, well, we can give $5 billion to this. And they're like, no, you want 500 billion and then 500 billion. He's like, what? What? And then they raised the number again and raised it again and raised it again and raised it again because we started to realize that he's going to work worldwide. Yeah.

12:32 And what what happens when that happens? And if you think about this, it's like, I mean, and then people start pointing fingers and say he had a playbook and there was a playbook and they stopped all that infectious disease playbook and they stopped all that they did. OK, Oops, coulda, woulda, shoulda. You screwed up, messed up. It should develop a new one, you know, And there was, there was lots of, there was lots of bad stuff that went along that was, you know, I mean a lot of people, you know, suicide went up. Oh my God. Yeah, people, I knew that. Depression. Depression was through the freaking roof. No, it was. It was crazy for me, though, like I as somebody who can be either an introvert or an extrovert.

13:16 It wasn't all that terrible. It wasn't all that bad for me. I didn't feel isolated. Well, also, we had an opportunity that a lot of people didn't. We had access to a gym. We had access to walking around outside. Well, we weren't in an apartment and a studio apartment. We weren't in a one bedroom apartment or even A2 bedroom apartment. We were in a house, right. And I think that that was freaking life changing. That was. Did the gym? Was the gym already done then? Part of it was there was a bench press in there, I think. OK, so we moved it down from Upstate downstairs. Because we did that like 2 summers before or something. Yeah. Or summer before. Yeah, that. Oh wait, no, wasn't. It was up in my room. It was up in my room.

13:58 That's. Why it was up in your room. That's why I was so it. Wasn't, yeah. It was slowly developed, I don't think, until the fall did we move everything down. Yeah, not until the fall or to the Yeah, yeah, because. Then I got it, and then I ended up getting it painted and all that and making a gym. And see, the gym has been something to me. That is, I would say, changed my life. I would say so as well. You know, I mean, it's across the it's so hard to go get in your car when you're right there and here, gosh is your gym and you're like. It's too far, no? Exactly. And I'm. One of those animals that once I go in there, then I can do it. You know, I can spend my hour and 15 minutes if it's, you know, whatever. It's just a matter of getting there. That's why we're talking about code, though. We're going to the gym. But I mean, it changed a lot of behavior. Oh yeah.

14:42 You know, I got rid of the I I had an odor eater and they were smoking cigars all the time. And I got rid of it. Yeah, that was around that time, you know? I mean, that was huge. That was a huge difference. But we were. I mean, I started when I went to. We used to go to liquor store every so often and buy something and buddies would come over and drink a little bit. Oh my God. I went to liquor store and somehow think that it was safer to buy liquor and quantity. I would just tell anybody listening, well, you don't know my habits, but I would say, wow, don't do that. You don't.

15:26 You can always buy another bottle. And don't buy a case of liquor at a time. Oh my. God, no, that's for sure. We bought the first one and it's like, wow, we this this will last us almost half two weeks later. Well, I got to go again. No another case. And you're like, well, get a couple extra bottles because you know, so it'll last the whole month that lasted 7 days. Oh my God. 30 bottles of liquor two weeks. Oh my gosh. Oh my God, we were. We. Were we? Were, Yeah. Well, that's when I discovered like what it was like in like 1910 in like the late 1800s when people were just absolutely rip shit faced all the time and they were still accomplishing things like the light bulb and things like that. Because you were like Edison was a drunk. You don't think he was?

16:16 Maybe he was. But definitely the Wright Brothers, because there's no way you're going to jump on this little wooden stick. And you got a freaking clip and. Try to fly, unless you're at least a third in the bag. Alexander Graham looked like one, but I don't know. I don't know. Drunk. Drunk. Well, like you think about all those guys in like the lack of potable water earlier in the in the world and like how people just needed to drink alcohol pieces fermented and it was like it was a use of way of. Life a mild butts. Yeah, no, exactly. Isn't that funny? It's like those people accomplished it and that's what we did. Like the whole freaking time. Gosh or. At least the first year, that's when you started to get motivated and that's when I started to get motivated to be physically in a better. Yeah, it's state 'cause I feel like you bring yourself down here and you're like, oh man, you gotta get back up here, You gotta go back.

17:05 Well, yeah. No, no, exactly. Well, you start to like look at your health and start to, you know, and also I was in 62 or whatever it was at the time. I was retiring for the second or third time. And I was like, is this it? And then I wasn't sure. And then I got involved with a few things and they went left and right. And and I'm like, I don't know. And now I feel kind of comfortable with what I do. I would like to do more. And I know that for me to do more, I have to pursue things to do more. Oh, yeah. But I mean I am. I am. Hitting. On average and the last fourth, you know, since the COVID break, six countries a year, that excludes coming to you twice a year, going to New York twice a year, going to going to Florida once a year, going to like wherever the hell else we go.

18:02 We're going to Charleston. We're going to, We're going to Indiana. We're going to Chicago. We're going, I mean. Jeez. Yeah, and I mean. Plus +6. Countries you know. No, not for sure. It's. Like, wow, I just think that that's for me, it's all about, I feel like I learn a lot when I travel, you know? And maybe maybe COVID gave me the bite more. I'd already had it. But also retirement, COVID, the whole thing, it sort of makes you, you, you, you have more time to, you know, be a drunk. But also at some point you can decide to be something else. For sure. Which is good I. Think reinvent, Reinvent yourself.

18:42 Yeah. Yeah, and I've tried. I failed it. Wow. Well, I think that's something that we always talk about. It's hard to go back to becoming a beginner. It's something when you've been an expert in something for so long. And I think that that is going to be an issue that you're going to deal with until your dad. Because yeah, exactly. I'm never going to have 40 years of experience in any field. It's just not going to happen. That 100%. Except for maybe picking my nose. Or, you know, going to the bathroom. It's like which are unfortunately not things I can get paid to do. And also something that isn't vocational based, like a job, right. And isn't something, yeah, like you're going to have to have to figure out what it means to be uncomfortable as a beginner. And that's that's that's frustrating. It's kind of, well, it's frustrating for me now in my 20s, I can tell you that.

19:26 So I mean, especially when you're supposed to have, oh you're old and you know everything, blah blah blah blah blah. I was like, hell, no, I don't know. Crap. You know exactly. But I've never had a problem being. What do you call it? I don't think. I think I as as big as my my confidence level is I've never had a a problem with people telling me that's not right. For sure. You know, I'm I'm. That's one of my qualities that I really try to like. As much as I try to browbeat people into my position when they're right, I shut the fuck up, 'cause I think that that's. I think that's very, very, very. That's the most important thing to do is.

20:07 When you hear something that's contrary, you don't attack it because it's contrary you. You attack it because it's wrong. Yeah, you know it's. Contrary. Then it's like, well, first thing you got to do is say, OK, is is did he have a valid Zach, have a valid point and then think it through and go like, oh man, I didn't plan on that, you know. And that's just the way my mind works. And then it's like, well, if your valid point is true, then I I change the way I think. And I think that's kind of the way science works too. You know, you people sit out here and say, oh, it's this and it's like and it's proved and it's like, well, it's you know, it's an ever evolving thing forever. And it's and it's very hard for a lot of people to look at something and saying, you know, when you look at the COVID thing, it's like, oh, is it going to be this or that? It's going to be a cure or it's going to be a vaccine or it's going to work, you know, and it's what's the and. And I think The thing is, is that a lot of lot, lot of it is they were frightened to say that they did not know. Well, it's also like a lot of people don't even know it scientifically.

21:08 When you have 46% of Americans that read below a 6th grade reading level, it's hard to help them understand what even scientifically A vaccine is, 'cause I remember some tweets that were like, what if we just got small amounts of the virus and then let the body handle it over time? And I'm like, that's exactly what a a vaccine is. That's exactly you just. Exactly. Yeah. So I think that that. Well, I think The thing is, you can't talk to people like that in a condescending manner. You have to. Say. Yeah. So the way to bring people forward is not to shit on them, it's to tell them, well, this is and I think the thing you have to be is that the the problem is, is that you're also trying to sort of damage control like society as a.

21:54 Whole so I think. That's very, very difficult to say. OK, we're going to close the stock market, OK. We're going to do this, We're going to do this, We're going to do all these things which you know, materially affect, you know, millions of people and they've all got personal opinions. And and when my opinion is that you're keeping me from feeding my family. I think you're wrong. Yeah. And that's where and that's that's where that's where the rubber meets the road and you have to figure out, well, I've either got to figure out a way to convince you that well, at least your family's alive or.

22:34 No, exactly. I've got to be able to wait to take care of them or, you know, in some particular manner. I mean there's, you know for sure, it's just wow. And this is coming right after we had the 2008 crisis where there was, you know, I mean, let's trust the banks. Oh, gosh, yeah. And then we're. Trusting the pharmaceutical, it's these, the multinationals are just seem to be in control of the world. And nobody was arrested after 2008 either, which was that was abysmal. That was abysmal. I I think it was. Just nobody was prosecuted and brought to trial was absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, I I I blame. I blame the Fed. I blame the whole banking agency as a whole to play in the Department of Justice. And the executive they.

23:17 Did not target anyone and go after them and say the reason these mortgages happen this way and the reason this happened is because you, the people that we need to bail out, gave away money and you didn't validate whether or not these things happen. And then you can say, well, the regulations. And it's like, well, the regulations say you can shoot your mother. You going to do it? Come on. Well, they also lied. They were disguised as B bonds and it's like they lied and and nobody was held accountable for it. Yeah, that's true. Nobody was held accountable for it and they were just given money. They were. They were held accountable financially. Yeah. That's it. Like Moody's was fine because they gave you all these investment grade bonds and you're like, well how can it be investment grade when 10% of the tranche which is the with the you know one tranche of it is, is triple B and all the rest is triple shit? Yeah, exactly.

24:12 Doesn't make any sense. Yeah. No that. It is sad. It is sad. I. Mean. It was ridiculous. We saw so many failings there in the banking industry. We saw it again with Silicon Valley when the head and no one said anything about it. The head of the San Francisco Fed was actually the president of Silicon Valley Bank. So he's the guy that's supposed to make sure everything's good and his bank goes under and no one says, hey dude, isn't that the head regulator for the whole East Coast? The whole West Coast? And no one says no. No one talks anything. He quits quietly that Friday and gets a $10 million severance package. And you're like, Oh my gosh. He sorry. No. Yeah, that's a You can't do that. No, no.

24:55 Why would you trust? Why would you trust the banking people when they do stuff like that? And why would you trust pharmaceutical companies? Do they do it? Especially that. I'm. I'm pissed off. Trust Pfizer. Oh yeah. Well, yeah, I bought a bunch of them a couple of years ago and they were doing really, really, really, really well as long as you people got sick and you stopped getting sick. And I know. You know and now well. People now don't believe that the the what is the boosters? Yeah. They're like, well, already, yeah, I that's how I feel too. I mean, like after my last one of my, I think I'm gonna have a stroke. Oh, I was. Telling you, oh, go ahead, your stroke. What was it? Oh, that was like 2 years ago when I got the last booster. Yeah. And I was like, they can't do this anymore, 'cause they, I was reading online.

25:38 They're like, yeah, if you feel like you're having a stroke, you probably shouldn't get it. I'm like, yeah, yeah, no, shut. They're like. That was your second or third booster. 2nd. Yeah, I think I did second or third. 'Cause I needed to go for school. I think I needed at least one or two. Yeah, it was one. You're. Right, you needed two. Yeah. Oh, I needed to that. I think that was up to the second one. That was the second one then, yeah. And you were really sick for quite some time. Yeah, five days. I got my last one. I got my booster maybe five or six months ago. Four months ago. What? What? What month is it? February. I got it in November. Oh, you still got a note. Which one is that? What number one is that? It's.

26:19 Like 4 oh wow. And I got that. And now since then I I developed ringing in my ears. I mean very quickly, like, jeez, when it's quiet, I can hear. I can hear like this little ringing in my ears. And so I I text the audiologist and I go, that was my audiologist that got me my hearing aids, which I don't wear and they cost a lot to sit in the in the count anyway. Oh, it's a real common side effect. And I was just like, hold it, you mean you hear ringing. It's tinnitus or tinnitus. Yeah, it's something like that.

27:00 It's something. It's not tinnitus. It's something very close to that. I don't know how to pronounce it. And I said it was a very common side effect for vaccines and I was just like really, well, interesting. I never. No vaccine I've ever gotten, I've had. And the weird thing is I asked the wife and she said Oh yeah, I had it for about 6 months and it went away. Six months. Wouldn't you think that you would? I guess you'd think you're kind of crazy when you hear it, 'cause you like when you hear noise going on all the time when nothing's happening. Yeah, like, where is that coming from? Yeah, well, you're you're, you're and you wonder if it's like, remember we had the ghost upstairs in the house? Yeah, yeah.

27:41 I've woke up many times to this end of the radio. Yeah. Yeah. And the baseball game, Ball game, right. Baseball game on the radio. But I didn't have a radio and and you would hear. All this? Yeah, that's what it's. It just it was just quiet enough that you couldn't make out what they said. And then when you woke up, you're like, what? What was that? Yeah, what was that? It's strange. It's strange that we heard it too apart, like 10 years apart or something. And and the wife heard it too. She said. Oh yeah, the the baseball game. And then Holden Holden knew about it. Oh, wow. Who lived in the house before us? So whatever. I mean, you know, hey, now we're talking about ghosts. From COVID to ghosts.

28:24 And I mean, I've seen stuff, I've seen apparitions in the house, but. Apparitions. Good word good good word usage right there. Wow. Wow. The thing is, you, you and you never know if it's sunlight or anything. You walk into a room and you see some movement over here and it could be just the light doing it. Why it never did that before. The 300 times you walked in the room, you don't know. Maybe you hit the right, just the light just right that one time and that made it go. Or you look down the hallway at where your room is. Before we built that, that section out there was the whole room standing in the hallway. Wow. I honestly wonder if that has to do with the false like or no like memory. Because I remember seeing the cat too, like, crawling on the bed. Like, I don't know, like seeing the cat crawl on the bed and then like the cat's gone like in the dark. It's like, weird.

29:12 Yeah. Like, I don't know if that might have. Been having a dream. And then you were not. You were just. Dreaming. No, no, I was awake. But I think it has to do with, like, you know, how when you walk through doorways and how doorways for human beings, like, we remember things when we crossed through those doorways. Threshold. Yeah. There we go. Yeah. And yeah, I think it has something to do with that. You're you're really nailing it. Mr. Dictionary Head over there Dictionary brain man. But I think it has something to do with the threshold. Wikipedia. Yeah, you have to. Yeah. I met a guy that does the wiki stuff at Sundance. Actually, that was pretty cool. Yeah, he's one of the the programmers. Yep.

29:54 Interesting. Oh, wow. Yeah, so that's cool, dude. Oh, do you have anything else on COVID? Oh yeah, I got lots. Let's keep going. Let's keep. I think about all the different stuff that kind of like, I mean what would you. I think they need to do. I would love to see an assessment. It's like what will we do differently? Well, we would have a we would have a book. I I I was, I was very pissed off that they were selling COVID materials to the States. Oh. Yeah, but that to me was like hold. On. Hold on. The tax dollars paid for that you don't give to you don't get to. Give them to the states that voted for you and. So that was, yeah, that was.

30:38 Very sleazy, you know. And they. Said there was somewhere around 2.3 or was it 230 billion that of the supplies and the monies that changed hands, but there wasn't any record. You know, it's kind of like the Iraq war when we went there in the beginning and we they literally had pallets of money that they just gave away and they had no record of who they gave it to or what it was used for or anything. Never seen the The Vice movie with Christian Bale where he plays Dick Cheney. No. Oh, so good. So, so good. Yeah, it it showed how Dick Cheney got executive power over Bush from the vice presidential position. Yeah.

31:22 And how Halliburton stock rose 300% from the time that we invaded a rock until like, yeah, it was funny movie was made in 2015. Hugely a money grab. Yeah. You know. But that was a really good movie. Really well. You look at Blackwater was a small little podunk organization and then it became a multinational. No, exactly. And then it had dirt throat on it because they murdered civilians and then they changed the name to, you know, I don't know, Altria. Oh no, that's the cigarette company that did that. Yes. Philip Morris. No, no, that's Facebook. They when they get in deep shit, they change their name and change their brand. Like truest, truest banks who were Wells Fargo, right. Wells Fargo branded as Truest.

32:07 Not Wells Fargo, that was. It wasn't Wells Fargo. SunTrust. Oh, SunTrust. SunTrust. SunTrust. They were they were filthy dirty. They were. They were dirtier than Wells Fargo at at the peak. I mean they did stuff like they did all the front running of your checks. Like say for instance you got paid $400.00 on Tuesday and say for instance you had a check for and you got you got $300.00 in your account right now you got a check for 10:50, a 150 and you got another check for 400. The $400.00 check came in at the end, right? What they do is they would run the $400.00 check first so all the others would bounce.

32:48 So they check collect 5 bounce fees and then they would double run them to get a double bounce fee or triple run them to get a triple bounce fee. So then all of a sudden you were, you were you're just barely getting by. Now you owe the bank $800. And you're like, you're like of all the things in the world that I think that that are to me the worst thing you can do is to set out to do policies and procedures that screw the little guy. And I think that and that, I mean that happened, that happened with, that happened with COVID. I mean, we have relatives that needed COVID money, should have gotten COVID money because they were running businesses.

33:35 They were frozen out and they couldn't get any loans because people like, what the heck was the Midwest one? There's a Ritz Carlton and a few others. What they did is they they took all of the hotels and they made them LP's. So each one was an individual entity which was under the size that you could apply for a loan. So then they would go in and they would all get loans. And guess what? When Ritz Carlton goes to, and I don't know if it's Ritz Carlton, it's a it was a it was a big hotel company when they go to, and I think Starbucks got money when they go to the bank. I do remember that. When they go to the bank. When they go to the bank, guess what the bank gives them, brings them to the front of the line.

34:17 So all you people out there that have four people working for you, they took your money, they got the free money and it was literally free money. You had to fill out the loan, processing the proper paperwork. And immediately everybody that thought about it was like, wow, all we got to do is let's say for instance, we got, we got 100 locations, we just set up each location as an LP, which you can do for like 80 bucks online. So you immediately set up an LLP. And then each one's its own entity, which is under the revenue cap to apply for a loan, has under the amount of employees to apply for a loan. So every single franchise of McDonald's could file for it, but if McDonald's itself couldn't. That's the same as they.

35:04 Did you know and so it's like that's just, I I mean I would say that. It's a better man. Oh yeah, yeah, without a doubt. It to me as far as business goes, that to me is you know and you got to say, well we, you know, we win by the rules. Well, you know what, sorry, no if you didn't need the money because these people were were making a lot of money. And the whole stimulus check thing too, yeah. Right. They survived well, but the small people couldn't get money. No, exactly. Well, I think automatically when you see that the government's going to do something to help the little guy, you see all of these large corporations invest millions of dollars and how they're going to get that money right from the little guy every single time.

35:51 And they see a big bucket of a trillion dollars. I mean it's the same thing happened in a way when they were talking about the big buyout then for the banks, if they would have just taken the money and not given it to the banks and just gave everybody, you know, 100 grand towards their mortgage. Yeah. Would have saved everybody. You wouldn't have seen a rabbit would have almost spent. Here immediately and but the banks wouldn't have been more powerful and the banks would have suffered the consequences for actually making the problem in the 1st place. No banker got in trouble for that. And they'll argue, oh, it was Clinton. Oh, it was it was Reagan. Oh, it was Bush. No, no.

36:32 It was the lobbyists and the regulators making the rules looser and looser so they could do stuff that they could get away with and make more money at it, without a doubt, and make it more risk and then dump the risk on to the American public. And that's what that's what the banks do, and they will continue to do that. They're not. And The thing is, is that the regulator's gotta. They fight that every day. No, they do. You know, I mean, you see it, you see it all the time, 100%. Really. It's like. Wow. I think we're coming up on our time here, though. Oh. I see 10 minutes. I don't see like a countdown do. You. No, no, We're at about a minute and 30 left here. So I think. We're gonna wrap up, OK? That's funny that you don't get the the clock 'cause I have the clock, I guess it's only for the the cool people that host the the the meeting, right?

37:14 Well, you have a cute one. Another great conversation and reach out to us on a record of myfather.com and we also have AQ and a section in the Spotify. You guys wanna ask us any questions or have any topics that you wanna talk about? Do you have any ending words here on our final little remaining time? COVID sucks. What's gonna happen at the next one? I have a feeling that we're going to have another pandemic in the next five years. I wouldn't be surprised. I. Just I feel like something's going to happen again and it's going to be more devastating. And on that happy note, we hope that you have a wonderful week ahead of you and that this podcast helps you get through it. Oh, and.

37:56 Bet on the Super Bowl cause one of them's going to win. Yeah, do that. All right. Bye bye party on.